he max
What the fukk is this mallcore T-shirt
wearing shyt? I'll tell you what it is...Somone showing support for a band
they happen to like. Nothing more, don't you dare tell me you never wore
a T-shirt of a band you like. I'm sorry, but you just come off as a person
that is bitter because your brand of music is out of it's hayday. Don't
get me wrong...I listen to all of that stuff, I like it too. I don't pretend
to know a whole lot about the nuts and bolts of music. If it sounds good,
I listen to it. I don't give a fukk whether or not they use 3 chords or
whatever. Who the fukk cares, you don't have to be a musician to listen
to music. In fact, I prefer not to be. If it means that i would turn out
like you, analyzing a bands talent on how many chords they use in one song,
Or telling somone how shytty a band is because I seen a kid wearing their
T-shirt in the mall. Saying shyt like that makes you sound like all those
teenie bopper jacka$$es who bicker and bitch over which boyband is better.
SubXavier
Hey, Truth... sometimes three chords sound
extremely good... I.E. Nirvana, Godsmack, etcetera. Wouldn't it get really
boring if track after track after track was one endless guitar solo? At
least as boring as the "mallcore" is to you? I like a lot of strings, well
placed silences, emphatic repetition... *skims over Princess' rambling
and laughs his arse off* Whew... you oughta write for Monty Python or something...
*wonders if they're still around*
MasterOfPuppetz
Princess headbutt? you need to stay off
the crack dear, ok?
elizabeth
this is absolutely right. yes , the whole
article. i toatlly agree with everything. pop has become a main element
of life in the past year, and unfortunately, it shows no signs of stopping.
we may be tortued with this meaningless music for a while. i am a rock
fan. i am also guilty of being a pop fan though. i haven't given into buying
a cd just for the pop songs though. i buy all of my rock cds because i
am a fan and recognize true musical talent. i know that the bands i am
a fan of are not popular and will never get an mtv music video award, but
i like it that way. i would hate to see one of my favorite musician totally
turn their sounds around to supply the demands of the rapidly growing pop
world. one example that i am very disapointed in is blink182. yeah, they
WERE a rad punk band, but now they are simply pop. the same thing is happening
to many other bands that are just starting. they see the glamour of the
pop world and immediatly forget about actually meaning somethihng more
than "that band with the catchy tune that hit #1". Their dreams of becoming
famous will only be diminished in 5 years. I have surprised myself to write
something so good as what i just wrote. I am 15 years old and if this article
can inspire me to share these feelings than i hope it can really open eyes
of others.
elizabeth
this is absolutely right. yes , the whole
article. i toatlly agree with everything. pop has become a main element
of life in the past year, and unfortunately, it shows no signs of stopping.
we may be tortued with this meaningless music for a while. i am a rock
fan. i am also guilty of being a pop fan though. i haven't given into buying
a cd just for the pop songs though. i buy all of my rock cds because i
am a fan and recognize true musical talent. i know that the bands i am
a fan of are not popular and will never get an mtv music video award, but
i like it that way. i would hate to see one of my favorite musician totally
turn their sounds around to supply the demands of the rapidly growing pop
world. one example that i am very disapointed in is blink182. yeah, they
WERE a rad punk band, but now they are simply pop. the same thing is happening
to many other bands that are just starting. they see the glamour of the
pop world and immediatly forget about actually meaning somethihng more
than "that band with the catchy tune that hit #1". Their dreams of becoming
famous will only be diminished in 5 years. I have surprised myself to write
something so good as what i just wrote. I am 15 years old and if this article
can inspire me to share these feelings than i hope it can really open eyes
of others.
Princess Headbutt
I think that Martha Stewart should NOT
have brought cranberry sauce to the tennis match. She was way out of line.
And another thing - how did Walter Cronkite, Woody Allen, and Charo end
up in Osaka, when everyone knows that glue is only 50% nougat? When Paulie
Shore demanded rubber coffee mugs for the Herculoids, I thought, "my god,
how big was the largest amoeba of the cenazoic period?" Honestly, though,
Jay Leno CAN outrun Kool Aid. After that little stunt involving the Commodore
64 and that guy from West Side Story, I was amazed. After all, the bottle
DID say "Lather, Rinse, & Grab yourself and yell "I ordered chicken
fingers, but got a 3/8ths bit for a Craftsman socket set" The critics can
say what they want, but I'm sweetened whole grain oats with real molybdenum
and disabling applications in Word will protect against the bloodthirsty
Eskimos of the San Bernadino Valley. The pornographic drawings of Roger
Ebert? Please! Don't even go there - if I collect enough pet hair, we all
can keep the complementary crayons from the monastary. Got it?
Tim will never respect anyone elses opinions
MasterOfPuppetz
The Truth: Most of your opinion is based
on steryotypes, but your partially correct. most of them are not exceptional
musicians. but not all people like extermily complex music. some people
like more simplistic music. and theres nothing wrong with that. i personally
like complex stuff but sometimes i just want some simplistic stuff that
rocks. and thats when i listen to bands like godsmack. you dont have to
like it, but that doesent give you the right to bash other people because
they like a different style than you, nobody said they were metal, and
nobody said they were great musicians. so fukking chill out. i could go
from listening to At the gates to listening to the deftones and i would
be fine. i like hearing lots of different styles because i like diversity.
you may not, and thats fine, but respect other peoples opinions.
RoqPX
PS Limp sucks I don't care what anyone
says. Deftones used to be cool but white pony was a bit weak and Korn you
know if Jonathon cut all that stupid ren and stempy rap crap out they would
be pretty cool not the most imaginative or original band but a worthy listen.
RoqPX
Antiguy that was kick ass dude! I've always
felt that the sheep didn't get it but you laid it out in a way that is
so easy to understand and it makes so much sense! Major props to you and
my fellow 10%ers who fight to keep real music alive!
The Truth
If you want to listen to lame bands using
3 power chords to write an entire album of songs and sing about the same,
boring "everyone abuses me and that's why I'm so mean" lyrics, then go
ahead! The albums of SO many of those bands are so weak musically - like
I said before, they steal riffs from the true metal gods of the past and
then make them weak. None of these bands have any real skill or talent
- I suck as a guitar player, and I can play any song by Korn, Deftones,
Disturbed, Slipknot, etc. Their music is pathetic! The only reason most
of them are popular is because the record executives that promote these
losers know how to make them "scary" and put "Parental Advisory" labels
on their covers. Then all those rebellious 14-year-olds think that wearing
a shirt or buying a CD by one of these bands makes them cool and scary.
Look at these bands! They're all cookie-cutter, image-conscious, posers!
They're all the same band - no originality or skill. They're no different
than NSync - they're just targeting a different audience. What's REALLY
sad is that most of these bands then go and rip each other off, stealing
boring, basic, simple riffs and then put out album after album. If you
want to hear true, original, skillful music, try some Therion, Nile, Tristania,
Dream Theater, Bal Sagoth, Emperor, Rhapsody, Blind Guardian, Cryptopsy,
Opeth (most good music now-a-days is coming out of Europe anyway). I think
the reason that most people get into these bands is because of the image
that they promote - if most of these mall metal bands were only allowed
to stand on the basis of their musical talent, they'd fail miserably. If
you know ANYONE that can play guitar decently, ask them to listen to Korn,
then listen to Cryptopsy or Bal Sagoth or Rhapsody. Then you'll see why
these bands are such a joke. If you like these bands - fine - listen to
them. But please, don't deceive yourself into thinking they have any degree
of skill or musical depth. Once you recognize how weak these "musicians"
really are, I think you'll realize that you can better spend your $15 for
a CD.
MasterOfPuppetz
hes one of those holier than thou metal
head pricks (ive met quite a few at metal-rules.com) they feel threatened
by bands like korn and disturbed, (even though i think both those bands
suck to) HEY A$$HOLE! please tell me who said they were metal? cause i
didnt see it any where, of course they may not be metal, but that doesent
mean people shouldent be allowed to listen to them. everyone has different
tastes. i like lots of metal (metallica, slayer, anthrax, black sabbath,
megadeth, etc...) and i also like lots of what you call "mall metal" or
"mallcore" or whatever (the deftones, slipknot, godsmack, etc...) people
need to learn to respect the fact that people have different tastes. as
long as there not likeing something just because its popular.
the max
Disturbed and Korn are not posers. If
you think they are...I'd like to hear why. Do not give me any of that Sellout
shyt.
The Truth
Limp Bizkit, Korn, Disturbed, Marilyn
Manson - POSERS! You people have no idea what heavy music is about. Most
of these mall metal bands rip-off the great heavy bands of the 80s/early
90s (and do a really bad job at it) ala Metallica, Slayer, Anthrax, Obituary
- the list goes on and on. As for Limp Breakstick, they know NOTHING about
metal, and they aren't even close to being the godfathers of the rock/rap
meld. I think everyone forgets great bands like IceT's Bodycount (now THAT
is metal and rap!) or the Judgement Night sound track. All you mall metallers
need to put away your Korn and Linkin Park CDs and listen to some REAL
freakin' metal. Here's some suggestions ... Dillinger Escape Plan, Nile,
Pig Destroyer, Zao, Monstrosity, Circle of Dead Children, Creation is Crucifixion,
Morgion, Underoath, Agoraphobic Nosebleed, Spitfire. BTW, Hot Topic = The
Gap.
Lucy
Didn't post that, but I guess someones
reading my post.
Ran Vage
Okay I own all 4 KoRn albums,all 3 Limp
Bizkit albums,both Godsmacks,Linkin Park,Disturbed,Mudvayne,Slipknot,Soulfly's
first and a bunch of others and out of those ones the 2 best are Slipknots,Disturbed's
and KoRn's first.....they are quite excellent records who bring alot to
the table....plus they were all written by bands who at the time were not
mainstream.....who cares what stream the bands follows or how the sell
out or all that bs....the new Limp Bizkit album is f@cking sweet because
of the bass it pumps out in the car......music is an aquireable taste.....so
don't knock people because of their music....just shut up and listen to
what you want....but to follow a point raised on Farmclub TV a while back
by a band named Presence "WHO SAYS ROCK IS DEAD? BANG YOUR MOTHERF@CKIN'
HEAD C'MON!"
Lucy
I'm too drunk to answer that question.
Hey...the breathalizer works.
Oh Shiot
Who is posting that comment? Could it
be RidahNy or is it RidahNy? i'm so confused, damn i'm so confused.
RidahNY
The only thing Limp Bizkit could start
or induce for that matter is vomiting and that's it. They didn't start
any rap metal movement or any type of music movement whatsoever. They're
claim to fame is selling out and that's it.
Ozzy
wyrdsister - RATM came well before Limp
Bizkit also ICE T did Rap/metal with Body Count a long time before Limp
Bizkit came out.
wyrdsister666
hey this guy got s'head set on straight!
however i just gotta say limp bizkit are pretty cool as well, they started
the whole rap metal movement and even though they more mainstream now they
still got all creds for that area so respect to them.. wyrdsister out
RidahNY
It's still Rock and Roll to me...
MasterOfPuppetz
i think he meant hardcore as a genre,
not as heavy music. in the sense of heavy slipknot are hardcore, but the
genre of hardcore slipknot are not. at least i dont think, i really dont
know that much about hardcore.
the max
Please Fever, don't group Slipknot with
Limp. I know Corey may do a little rapping (and there's nothing wrong with
it as long as you know how) but goddammit....It's the same guy who wrote
the songs Surfacing and Liberate. As far as them being hardcore...I think
they are, that's all open to interpretation though.
ro
i reckon that this article is so true.
i mean with britany and stuff, the fans hear their songs and like them
and buy the albums but like a couple of months later they say theyve got
sick of those songs and will prolly never listen to the cd again. but rock
fans who went out and bought nirvana cds and AC/DC cds and other rock cds
when they came out will still listen to them and think they are good, they
dont get sick of the songs because they are actually good songs.... pop
ppl come and go and even though at the time thier fans will say they are
great and they wont forget them, in five years they wont even remember
their names. oh.. and if youve read my comment go scroll up and read al's
as well.. cause she knows what shes talking about too. u rock al!
BJ
Oh, it doesn't matter what they say in
the papers - - 'Cause it's always been the same old scene. - There's a
new band in town But you can't get the sound from a story in a magazine...
- Aimed at your average teen
BUTCH
"..Don't worry about me, 'bout to die
from curtousy...Across the Missisippi/'cross the Tennessee/'cross the vile
Floridia/HOME I'LL NEVER BE/Home down Hondora/Home done truckin'/At Appolachcola/HOME
I'LL NEVER BE" WOW! What great words.
Dr Fever
one more thing...anyone who thinks bands
like Limp Bizkit, Korn, Slipknot, etc, etc are HARDCORE, or THUGCORE needs
to have your head examined. Tell ya what, come to the 304 on January 5th..go
to the american leigon in downtown charleston, then you'll know what HARDCORE
is.
Dr Fever
First; Ridah...that was lyrics from 'The
Who'. Hmm..and, the lyric actually goes; "Long live rock, be it dead or
alive." Just thought i'd throw that out there, but, i do give you mad respect
for even quoting it. Second; I bow to the alter of antiGUY everyday, just
thought i'd tell you all that. Third; yes, the beatles laid the ground
work (sadly) for boy bands..from menudo, to new kids, right up to the sludge
that fills out air everyday, BUT, here's the main difference: the beatles
have inspired, oh, EVERYBODY for the last thirty years, they played their
own instruments and they wrote their own songs. Plus, they have/had talent.
I'll put it this way; do you think an entire generation (or two) will be
affected if _____(fill in the blank with sugar tennybopper star of the
moment) were assinated tommorow, affected in the way that millions were
when John Lennon took six? Uh, NO! Lou Pearlman will mourn for, oh, about
five minutes then hustle the next one in off the assembly line. Fourth;
as far as rock goes, as long of Phil "Jesus Christ with a longer beard"
Anselmo and Max "GOD" Cavallera are walking the earth, rock will never
die. Ok, that's it for me, i'll close with this: "It's a long way to the
top if you wanna rock and roll"
Artillery
What about Iron Maiden?
RidahNY
"Long live rock... be dead or alive."
Oh wait what am i doing? None of you poseurs no these lyrics because they're
actually from a real band. Oh well whatever Nevermind.
Stinky
HA I SAW THIS TOO. I saw the trend I thought
it was great here that all you stupid pop drones Oh yeah rap is pop so
it blows. Rock will live forever
Ryck Blase
I love Rock & Roll. I will always
love Rock & Roll. From The Beatles to Posion I love Rock & Roll.
Once a new music form has started you can't kill it until the world is
over. Rock will always have a following. Just because one month no good
rock records come out doesn't mean rock is dead. I dont care if Rock becomes
passe because there will still be millions blasting their rock from their
cars. I have never heard of the POP hall of fame. But There is a Rock Hall
of fame. I dont care if no one reads this but know that Us rock fans will
always be here cause everyone feels angst and Rock just brings it out there
for others to say "Yeah I feel that" and then we are fans for life. Weezer
rocks! out
distortme
I was just reading some off the posts
about the beatles here... the beatles were essentially a rock band but
later on when they signed with their record producer and started selling
millons of records they changed their image of "rockers" to a more "popular"
style and dress of the time. Later on they started going back to their
rock roots but were in the begining of their career were sell-outs. They
weren't loyal to there original fans because they knew that if they had
a more acceptable appearence and sound they would make more money... not
to say i dont like any of the beatles music but a lot of their music cant
be considered rock... how many beatles songs can you think of without any
musical instrument being played...
the max
Pop is all about the T&A man...all
about the T&A.
al
and also, failed to make one point...there
is rarely pop groups/artists that can write their own lyrics and make their
own music (the only one i am aware of is savage garden)..if there is no
talent involved then why praise these people? shouldnt rock artists/groups
be praised more because they actually have the talent to make their own
music. so why then is it that pop artists make more money, have more publicity
and gain more respect? that is a point to ponder...makes you think about
what is really wrong with the world
al
rock fans have a real appreciation of
music. this can be seen by referring to pop charts and rock charts : even
if a rock song ie. californication- rhcp makes it to the top of the pop
charts, it lasts for about one week, two max. and after that its downhill..right
to number 40.. but if you look at the rock charts, songs hang around for
at least one-two months, at times even longer. for pop charts, anything
thats getting old is considered a drag, pop fans have a hunger for new
music so that they can satisfy a longing for a continual stream of new,
popular music. whereas if there is a song that is getting old in the rock
charts (which will take a few months at that), it is considered a classic
to be remembered. i have had this discussion with a few peers of mine..and
as you all know, blink 182 has had heaps of better old songs, than what
has become of the new album. they had a desire to be selling more in one
go and so they turned to a more poppy approach..after realeasing "all the
small things", it went to the top of pop charts and yes, they were probably
selling tens of thousands if not millions of copies of their album. but
now as you walk into any music store that sells cd's, you sadly find that
"enema of the state" is now on the bargain shelves, selling for only $10
or so. this article is the best i have read yet about the fact that pop
will not kill rock. good on ya!!
Johnny The Bad Toenail
I reckon rock is due for a big-ass comeback.
People diss Limp Bizkit, but don't notice the fact that they ARE rock,
and they DO play their own instruments. By making into the mainstream 'charts'
(which are all based solely on how much airplay they get - I mean, what
kind of measure is that?), and so they are opening the doors once more
for people who actually have talent. I'm sure there are millions of people
capable of doing what Britney, Ricky, and all those other fools have done,
so why should we revere them? They are not special, or even extra-ordinarily
attractive, if you want to be as shallow as that.It's like Billy Corgan
said - "The world has just gone pop mad, and it's driving everyone crazy....it's
like they put Ricky Martin in a big machine, and just churn it, and churn
it until what comes out is a totally different animal." People will cop
on, and see the error of their ways, I'm sure of it.
Leif
Rock n Roll ain't noise Pollution Rock
n Roll ain't gonna die Rock n Roll ain't live or die -ACDC-
Mr Self Destruct
I have to agree with that with the max.
Metallica was quite an legendary band that many artists would follow. However,
that's not to say NIN( or Reznor) was legendary as well. It would pitiful
if no one would remember these bands with a decade or two or three.
the max
That comment about Metallica was ridiculous.
If it wasn't for Metallica you probably would never have even heard about
Trent Reznor. They kept heavy music heavy. They are solely responsible
for bringing it out to the masses. I bet you if you ask Reznor himself,
you may find he has a few Metallica albums in his collection.
Envious
I wouldn't say pop is opposite from rock.
Rock just had to adapt to make itself more accessible. You have your raprock
types, such as Limp Bizkit and Incubus, that were the offspring of Rage
and Korn. You have your new metal (Godsmack, Slipknot, Sevendust, Static-X,
Powerman 5000, Papa Roach, Disturbed) who have all got some MTV exposure
and have gotten tons of airplay and sold bajillions of albums. You have
Creed. My god. What can I say? I don't like them and I didn't like them
5 years ago when they were Pearl Jam. It's this kind of imitation spawning
that caused the disenchantment of youth with rock. Not that hip-hop is
any better. Most of the popular stuff lacks meaning or is just so sad and
violent. (Damn you NWA, damn you to hell!) Electronic is by no means popular,
and Moby doesn't count. He used to be electronic, then he went punk in
1997 with "Animal Rights" then blues/R&B with 1999's "Play". DJ's are
very successful in world view, but mainstream radio, rock or otherwise
is reluctant to play stuff. So until the Chemical Brothers or Paul Oakenfold
go 5X Platinum in the U.S., I will stand by my comment that Electronic
is the new underground.
eric
Nirvana will be remembered, maybe not
because of the music or the genre but because of kurt cobains demise. Nirvana
was not the best grunge rock out there nor the 1st, they were the ones
who could make it mainstream. that opened the doors for others, granted
most of the others were cheap rip offs but not all of them (soundgarden
ect etc etc). And why hasnt anyone mentioned trent reznors project NINE
INCH NAILS. i feel that he wont be remembered, even though he has done
more for rock than anyone in the past 20 yrs. Completely reveliutionalized
the genre. personally i cant stand AC/DC no disrespect intended, they have
paid there dues to rock and then some. I just dont like the sound. Metalica
on the otherhand are such a horrible band it amazing that there fans take
time out from beating there wives and fixing there camaro's that have been
sitting outside there trailer for weeks to listen to them. The fact that
a crap band like metalica may be remembered while the genious that is trent
reznor may be lost over time makes me sick. any comments?
SADISTIC, TIM, KILLER, CRAZY,
MACHINE, ETC
PS THERE IS A LOT MORE THEN 10% but the
10% ARE THE REAL ROCKERS AND MUSICIANS THE REST ARE POSERS AND TREND FOLLOWERS,
BIZ LIMPKIT (he he) SUCKS RAP JUST PLAIN SUCKS SOME TIME I GO OFF AT PEOPLE
FOR TALKING OR SINGING RAP I HATE PEOPLE I HATE PEOPLE I HATE PEOPLE I
HATE PEOPLE (HE HE HE)
SADISTIC, TIM, KILLER, CRAZY,
MACHINE, ETC
AWSOME THIS ARTICLE IS GREAT EXACTLY MY
SENTIMENTS I AM A YOUNG MUSICIAN VERY YOUNG IN FACT I SEE THE SAME AS THIS
MAN, POP IS DEAD IT HAS NO INTEGRITY, RAP IS DEAD HAS NO INTEGRITY BOTH
TYPES HAVE PEOPLE SINGING ABOUT THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND MANY TIMES
THOSE THINGS NEVER HAPPEND OR ARE FICTIONAL
Lucy
That comment was for RidahNY by the way.
Lucy
Are you depressed or something? Your last
couple of post have been way out of character.
Gumbo
#1) Rap is currently going through the
pains that rock was going through in the late 80's. Rampant misogyny, dress-up
fashion bullsh*t, bling-bling party all the time, blah blah blah. #2) Rap,
like Rock, AND POP, goes through bad commercial phases. #3) Not that commercialism
makes things bad. But money brings out the mediocre, which brings the whole
genre down. #4) Rock won't die, but it may not sound like what you're used
to. Let's hope that's true. #5) Quit raggin on Pop. Michael Jackson = Great.
Abba = Amazing. Fountains of Wayne = crushingly fun. Ain't nothin wrong
with a hook, just like there's nothing wrong with the absence of one.
BKJester
Hell Yeah! to quote AC/DC "rock and roll
will never die." Hopefully BackDoor Boys, Nstink, and the other girly/boy
bands will. I think Eminem said it bast " all you girl and boy groups do
is annoy me" so Rock has been sent here to DESTROY YOU.
RidahNY
Why the hell is everyone so interested
whether certain bands are gonna last 10 years from now? Who cares - you
ain't in the band so it's not your career to worry about. I'll be going
on 33 years old ten years from now so i really could care less as to who
lasts and who doesn't. I probably won't even be listening to music anymore
by then so stop worrying about who will last and who won't because it's
not more $ or no less $ coming outta your pockets.
it's too early to see if anything after
nirvana will last. I'm sure if you asked people in 1986 is fag metal would
be around in 10 years they would have said yes. We can't see if the new
hipo-hop rock fussions will last. I doubt it because it strays way too
far from the middleground of rock. only time will tell
Needle
Here I go again. Scott is arguing very
intelligently, really, I admit that. But hey, he says the same every Electronica-fan
keeps on saying: It is new, progressive, innovative etc. Come on!!! The
fact that they are innovative etc. doesn't mean that they are GOOOOOOD!!!
That is what people, who are always looking for 'new' kinds, sounds, effects
in music don't realise. There's only two types of music: Types I like (or
any other individual, as a person, as an entity himself/herself) and music
I don't like. I like Mötley, Poison, Kiss, Guns and Roses, Skid Row,
Backyard Babies etc., but I don't like Korn, Christina Aguilera (altough
I can imagine myself doing a few things with her KHHMM). Never stop Rockin'
Scott
Sorry, electronic, hiphop, and punk have
all been influenced by rock (not sure why I only said the latter two).
Metal seems to be surviving by co-opting hiphop and electronica as well,
sometimes in really akward manners (Limp Bizkit, Incubus?), sometimes elegantly
(Rage Against the Machine).
Scott
I'll concede that most early rock borrowed
from more blues than jazz, but to entirely dismiss jazz as a fundamental
componenet of rock? Especially considering how intertwined both jazz and
blues are... Also, I'm not hearing on this board that anything of import
happened in rock after Nirvana. Some of you on this board (including the
writer of the editorial) sound bitter about any new styles of music. Granted,
you can dismiss some as poppy, commercialized, and brainless, but I'd like
to point out that rock was criticized in the same manner in it's burgeoning
years. The "screaming girls" comment was directed at early Stones concerts.
I consider (and apparently Lucy does too) that the Stones are rock, yet
they had the same groupies, teenie-boppers, and magazine spreads as the
Backstreet Boys do today. I consider the Stones to be of a significantly
higher musical grade, but don't criticize more contemporary music for it's
young fans, rock had it in it's day. And that's kind of my point. The torch
of youthful rebellion and change (a word seemingly alien on this site)
has been passed. And whether any of you like it or not, the underground
music scene gaining ground with youth (by that I mean non-popular music
of merit) has been passed to electronic, hiphop, and punk (the last vestige
of rock). The latter two are profoundly affected by the great rock that
has come before, but different enough to piss them off. Always a sign of
quality youth music is my eyes.
Reb Rocker
anti-90% Let the sheep get fleeced by
the record companies that's what sheep are for. Antiguy great article man!
I love that 10% I'm gonna start using that on the boards I post to. Reb
Rocker part of the 10%ers
Joe Gorrelle
one last last thought, the top10 and all
that other stuff is bunch of sh|t. They hype up the bands they think will
get them money,and if they sound like sh|t so they use protools.
Joe Gorrelle
sorry i didn't all of it, but rock ain't
going under anytime soon. The reason for the sales being so crappy might
be because of all the different names for all of it like metal, industry,
and death metal. pop sucks balls so lets get back to the rock.
the max
I think were all losing focus of exactly
what rock is. It's something you can feel, it has no set template from
which it comes from, It's constantly evolving. What everyone has to realize
is that you CANNOT label what rock music looks or sounds like. Everyone
has their own opinion on it. I think The Beatles were rock, Lucy however
does not. I think she may be putting them in the pop rock catagory, which
is not too far from the truth (the POP in pop rock stands for POPULAR...remember?
and they certainly were popular). Rock has it's many forms. It's not going
to die of old age and a lack of inovations (you want innovative? check
out any soulfly/sepultura album.). As I stated before, Rock is Rock, it
does not matter where it came from. Rock started out as a teenie bopper
revolution but it matured and evolved along with it's audience. The torch
was then passed to the next generation. If you want a quick history of
rock from it's conception to the mid 70's get every Elvis Presley and The
Beatles albums, and then listen to them in the exact order they were released.
After that, you get Led Zepplin, AC/DC and Black Sabbath, do the same thing.
With that you should be good up to about 1982. After that it's all open
to interpretation, I say you go to Mettalica, some others will say Stick
with AC/DC. Eventually everyone finds there own version of what they THINK
rock is. My point, Rock will not die. Why? because feelings don't die,
and Rock is nothing more than what you feel it is.
Lucy
Darlin..Stones...Beatles... Thats like
comparing Abba and with..well hell, the Stones. The cords, the structure???
NOT Beatles.. Can't buy me Love?? Beatles..THEY ARE NOT NOW nor WILL EVER
BE rock. Beatles were an entitie among themselves. Screaming girls!!! Give
me a break. Is that rock in your eyes? Hell, BSB has screaming girls. I
guess that constitutes rock in your eyes. I give respect for the Beatles
for a new sound in that time. But make no mistake, it was not rock. It
does not compare to rock. It did not lay the foundation. The blues on the
other hand, I'll give you that understanding. The greats; Johnson, Brown,
and even Clampton...those I'll accept.
ozzy
Lucy dear you are only looking at half
of the beatles picture. It is true the hit big as a pop group but they
more or less invented what we call rock with the second half of records.
Trust me the Beatles are rock, just go listen to abby road or the white
album. Scott, rock is rooted more in blues than jazz. All of the rock groups
of the late sixties were heavily influenced by the blues. It is true jazz
has some influence but country, blues and blue grass had a much larger
part. The only newer type of music really influenced by Jazz is funk and
rap. A lot of rap follows Jazz progressions.
Scott
Well it's difficult to argue with someone
who doesn't think the Beatles are rock. Or that rock used to be teeny bopper
(have you ever seen an old Stones concert? screaming little girls everywhere)
Nor find jazz to be a component in rock (chords, structure, etc).
Lucy
Scott, sweatheart, rock has never been
teeny bopper! Get a clue... I don't ever put people down, so please don't
find insult. That said: Beatles are not rock. And youth culture is of no
value to me or anyone who has an acute taste in music. Children play with
emotions. Rock, on the other hand is an emotional outlet. There is a difference.
It's knowing versus not knowing. We all grow out of it. Jazz being part
of rock? I don't agree with that. I'll give you the blues. There is a very
intricate coorolation between those two. But not jazz. No..not jazz.
ClassicRocker
I like it 90% of people are clueless when
it comes to music! That explains all of this crap on the radio and MTV!
Man this is the best thing about music I have read in years!!
FirestormDragon
I don't think some of the people who are
posting here quite get the point.. It doesn't matter if Limp Bizkit and
all the boy bands are making more money, getting their faces on tv, and
have more teenage girlies running around behind them. When you sing what
people want to hear instead of what you think and feel, that's what you
get. They're saying that Rock is dead... if you ask me Pop is dead because
it was never really living. Rock has a soul, a heart, and a mind. All Pop
has is a lifeless body, animated by one thing - sales. Whatever sells more,
that's what Pop gravitates towards. Rock finds the path true to heart,
even if the song isn't always as sweet. Well guess what - neither is life.
Scott
Rock used to be "teenybopper 'got to fall
in love' stuff". Take the Beatles' early stuff, "Love me do", "I wanna
hold your hand", etc. Rock USED to be the mainstay of youth culture. And
it's grip on anything in youth culture is rapidly waning. And to say Jazz
is fleeting, what planet do you come from? The foundation of everything
rock comes jazz/blues. To castigate jazz as fleeting is to damn rock with
it. I've never said rock is fleeting, and I won't. Great music came from
it (with an emphasis on the past tense). Electronica offers a greater treasure
of both new AND staying music. Look to it for the youth (and future) of
music to usurp pop.
Lucy
Scott, dear Scott, how old ARE you to
say that rock is on it's way out? Rock has always and will always be the
mainstay of music. Did you not understand what the max was saying? Rock
music, the SAME rock music, is quality. The other music you mentioned is
fleeting, ie..rockabilly, bebop, jazz. Those types of music will ultimately
enjoy revival time and time again. Why? Because they get OLD. Those types
of music are revived over and over and over again. Will rock be the music
of another movement? Most assuredly! The reason that it will...because
people mature. Rock music does not have to be revived because it is a consistant
type of music. It's not the teenybopper 'got to fall in love' stuff. It's
not the "I want rose petals on my pillow' stuff. It's just music for us
to listen, too. There does not have to be a deeper meaning in order to
listen. I don't want a deeper meaning. I want to escape. Thats why rock
is NOT fleeting.
load15
Finally!!! A voice of reason. Thanks for
the insight. I myself have answered the call to carry on the tradition
and have formed a band myself for exactly the reasons you described. When
Limp Bizkit gets too much (which happens often), everywhere I turn I see
Britney's face (and I mean EVERYWHERE), and I catch myself casually daydreaming
of a plot to assasinate Sisqo (just kidding), it's good to know there's
still some of you out there who are into the music for what it says to
you,...not for how cute the lead singer is. Sincerely, A ten-percenter
Justin
Sheesh. Limp Bizkit being around longer
than AC/DC? Somebody has had a few too many hits from the crack pipe! I
mean, good fright, man! Fred Durst is a M/F'ing sell-out! The first album
was good, but he sold-out with the second one! Good Lord! Who lets these
90%ers on the board? Rock will live forever. I was raised on it, and it
will forever be a thing of talent and beauty to me. I can jam along with
it, I can write new songs... Rock is the ultimate expression of creativity.
Music is my passion, and my guitar is better than any girlfriend. And lastly,
to that little "Autom" b/i/tch who says N'Sucks is dope, I'd just like
to say that you've been brainwashed. Pop Culture is an evil that will eventually
lead us into a 1984-ish world if it continues to dominate the media. That
means... You guessed it folks! Communism! That means that Rock=Democracy,
while Pop=Communism. Anybody follow?
Scott
Kenny G has staying power, that doesn't
mean it's good music. Not to say AC/DC is bad, it was great for it's time.
As was Jazz, Bebop, rockabilly, etc. All these also have staying power.
But to say rock will be the music of another youth movement, get real.
As you said, it doesn't change, it's stale.
the max
Ummm...ok. Rock is Rock, there is no need
for innovations. It's not something that has to constantly change to keep
itself going (ex. POP MUSIC) Rock will always be here it was here before
and it stays here after any trends start up and fade away. Anyone who thinks
Rock is dead needs to get a fukking clue. Just listen to what antiGUY said
about AC/DC having staying power over BSB. That pretty much explains why
Rock is still here today and will be tomorrow.
Scott
Whatever, rock is on it's way out. Electronica
owns it. There haven't been any inovations in rock since Nirvana (10 years
ago) other than co-opting other styles (rap, techno). Rock's over.
Everlast
Whitey's Revenge
MaxPower324
Limp Bizkit is a disgrace. There is no
more substane to their music than all the other 'junior high dance' pop
music out there. The only difference between them is that Limp Bizkit fills
their songs with needless and tastless profanity, obsenities, and violence.
Limp Bizkit is not what "keeps rock alive," it is what keeps rock down.
I hate how MTV has grouped garbage like Limp Bizkit with rock music. The
clear difference between Limp Bizkit and real rock music is substance,
and I can't wait to see how many Limp Bizkit fans will still be there 5
years down the road. Limp Bizkit is WORSE than everyone.
MyChin
I agree
Needle Again
Sorry, I missed to write, that this picture
with the old guys on was of Pearl Jam.
Needle
Antiguy kicks major a§§! I agree
with Oldfart, (the first to add comments to this), who said that Nirvana
will be forgotten as well, and this grunge thing was also a trend! I saw
a picture of them the other day, and they all look as old as The Rolling
Stones, who started THIRTY YEARS earlier. This always-negative, life-is-terrible,
partying-s@cks type of music made this people, who with their album TEN
ten years ago were still youngsters old f!ckers in a few years. Gene Simmons
of KISS said it all: You don't play with your mind, you play with your
d!ck. That's what Guns and Roses, Skid Row, Mötley Crüe, Kiss
and the other great bands did. I wonder what these d!ckless guys nsynch,
or korn (both dickless, even if completely other style) write their songs
with... Of course with a pen. :-) Keep Rockin'!
GREENMUSE
sitting in my green haze,my outlook on
the music world is this,"where i come from corporation is a bad word"
something you should read
first off, bravo. that was an excellent
editorial.its good to see there's still some intelligence out there. unlike
you little teeny boppers who's life is based on what other people think
of them. you know exactly what im talking about, though you will never
admit it. you know who im talking about. the junior high schoolers who
bring makeup to school, who wear the latest fashions, who dont give a sh!t
about pop but buy those queer boy band cd's because every one else does.
that includes the backstreet boys, n'sync,together, 98 degrees, britney
speares, christina aguilera, limp bizkit, (whos gotten the well deserved
bashing by just about every one.)kid rock, eminem,oh, it just keeps going
and going.there is so much commercial and media that you little brainless
slaves will buy anything that t.v. tells you to. you f*cking pawns will
do anything to buy merchandise from your pop crap. it has gotten so out
of hand. thats basically what pop is. money driven bastards bent on making
profit from you stupid asses. and do you know what? they're doing a damn
good job!! as long as you see ther're faces on mtv, you know that they
are still cool to buy from.autom proves my point exactly with her stupidity
and blindness into thinking shes cool. with rock, it is very different.
(with a true rock fan anyway.)we buy what we like. not what everyone else
likes. scary thought, isnt it? you should try it sometime. some say, well
you buy c.d's too, dont you? yes, of course i do. but i spend money on
talent. i spend my money on lyrics that the band actually writes. and finally,
i spend my money on stuff that i like. stuff that is well deserved of the
american dollar. not trendy music. but at least they wont be around for
very long. pop and trends will always be around, but the same goes for
great rock bands. thus, rockers will never die.
RidahNY
First of all, there is no question or
debate as to whether "will pop kill rock?" It doesn't matter if the top
100 albums on the Billboard charts are pop albums or if rock disappears
totally and gets zero media coverage. None of that matters because i know
for a fact i won't be like "oh well since the only cool music that the
popular people like is pop, i'll listen to pop." Sh*t, it doesn't even
matter if there are no new rock albums released in the next 20 years because
i'll still listen to Van Halen, Led Zep etc. which are all rock bands even
if they aren't new. I'll still be p*ss drunk sitting here listening to
music playing guitar and that's something i can't do with pop music. A
matter of fact, i can't even stomach that sh*t so how the h3ll would i
all of a sudden buy it just because it's what's "in style?"
metallia7
i want what Anti-guy is on cause amigo
you explained it. sorry to you limp dyckless fred durst losers out there
who say limp sold more cds balh blah blah making alot of money bla h blah
will be around forever blah blah (CHRIS and his buddy RORY) but funny they
said the same about new kids on the block and where are they now? same
place m&m and fred (useless) durst will be soon... washing dishes
metallia7
i want what Anti-guy is on cause amigo
you explained it. sorry to you limp dyckless fred durst losers out there
who
say limp sold more cds balh blah blah making alot of money bla h blah will
be around forever blah blah (CHRIS and his buddy RORY) but funny they said
the same about new kids on the block and where are they now? same place
m&m and fred (useless) durst will be soon... washing dishes
MasterOfPuppetz
in a school setting? I agree, 95/5 is
probably correct, but if you count everyone its probably more like 70/30,
maybe even 60/40, you have to count the older people to
lizzie gets busy
I like music with attitude, something
u can feel not just hear. And the only music around that does that to me
is rock! be it metal, rap metal, punk, grunge, alternative, whatever it
kicks ass, and we can all relate to it, its just teeny bopping fools dont
realise that! rock will never die because me and every1 else who can feel
it, wont let it!
RidahNY
That explanation was totally correct and
i doubt many people will argue with you - but we already knew that. We
know that pop music has fleeting fans who buy the CD's so they can see
what outfit Chrispenis Faguilera is wearing on the inside cover etc. Besides,
us real rock fans don't care about what's on the charts (i don't read Billboard),
what's on the radio (i use the tape deck and CD player), or what's on MTV
(would kill myself before watching that channel.) Let's face it, if we're
going to buy Led Zeppelin's "Houses of the Holy" we know that album isn't
on the charts and is totally uncool now cause it's 27 years old plus it's
a rock band but we buy it because we want it and we know it's good. When
i bought "Nevermind" back in 1992 i didn't buy it because it was #1 on
the charts, i bought it because of the buzz around the band and because
i had heard "Smells like teen spirit" at an 8th grade dance of all places
so i wanted the album. Us rock fans play instruments, we know alot of songs
on our instruments because the music matters - and as far as this pop crap
goes, i don't think any of us really care so let's just stop talking about
it altogether.
Simon
Ok I now get it why you call this site
antimusic. I've been coming here for a couple years and always thought
that title was strange but now I understand! Lucy said it, the AC/DC thing
and the 1990 trick were great ways to make the point. Keep the faith, the
rock army fights on!
Lucy
Great editorial! I am speachless. I am
in total agreement about the staying power of the rock bands. How true,
the remark about the five year absence of AC/DC versus what would happen
to Nsync. You really got me when you started in the '90s and clarified
it wasn't 2000. Great job!
Ozzy
I say we kill the 90% that will leave
more beer for us!
EarthToRory
Limp Dick is NOT ROCK! They are a pop-alterna-rap
group. There are plenty of real rock groups out touring we don't need shiit
like Limp Dick! -Ozzy
Rory
Wy is every one down on limp bizkit they
are the ones who are keeping rock alive with there tours and so on. Without
them rock would disapare off the radio etc. You only not like Limp Bizkit
because they don,t sell teen-angst so just grow up and live a little
counterculter
Excellent! I go the opposite than master,
I would say it's at most 5%. I've got about 200 other students in my school
and there are only 4 real rock fans. The rest are into that trendy limp
bizkit or backstreet boys nync trash. I don't 99% of them would know who
Kurt Cobain, Tony Iommi, or Cliff Burton are.
MasterOfPuppetz
BRAVO ANTIGUY, on a very good post. but
10%? i certainly hope its a little more than that! id say more like a 70/30
ratio.
name withheld
Rock is based on folk music, that's why
it will never die. It's the story of your life and as long as you live,
you'll want to tell it and hear it. Where does rock come from? Country
and the Blues. Where does country come from? European Folk from Brittany
in France and all over the UK and Germany. How long has that music existed?
Since around 850CE, or around 1150 years! What about the Blues? It comes
from African Folk from all along the Niger and Congo rivers and the space
between, basically all the west African coast from Senegal down to Cameroon
and south to the Congo; and also the interior around Timbuktu. How long
has that existed? At least since 950, or just over 1000 years. That's 2000
years of roots for Rock's genesis. This music will NOT. NOT. NOT. NOT.
NOT. EVER. GO. AWAY. PERIOD.
the max
All hail antiGUY!!! Leave it to you to
summ up what everyone was thinking...but could only hint at. About the
fact that we care more about our music than the 90%, Well, everyone read
Automs' post at the bottom and you can see why.
BUTCH
Wonderful editorial, antiGUY. You explained
it very well. Perhaps, one of your best peices. We at this site do fall
into that special 10% of the population who trives on the the integrity
and honesty of music. Not mere background noise but as points of insipration.
Though many of us differ (I'm sure most people here hate my guts) we all
have a lot in common. Love of music. Anyway, as you said (and I have said
before) the tide of meaningless music will wash out to sea when the hurricane
of honest passionate music attacks the coastline in gail force...until
then. BUTCH
Chris Limp Dick is the sh*t thats out
there right now! It's trendy pop crap thats why it sold because Jr Hgh
punks like you think saying nookie and cookie is cool. Limp Dick is a joke!
Looks like the truth hurt poor little
chrissy. Posers and trendies hate it when you expose them.
Earth to Chris
Limp Bizkit is NOT A ROCK BAND! You have
been watching too much MTV dumbass!
Chris
F*ck AntiGuy and and the guy on here that
called himself Fred Durst. It's obvious you all hate how Limp Bizkit made
it to #1 and sold 1 million copies. WHY? Because Limp Bizkit fans bought
them and proved all these motherf*ckers wrong. The fa**ot that used the
name Fred Durst is probably some f*g that doesn't even like Limp Bizkit
and used Fred's name to diss them. Will we forget Limp Bizkit? NO Because
they sold more records in a week than any other rock band and have better
music than the sh*t that's out there right now.
Ross
You hit the nail right on the head antiguy!
that 90% doesn't understand why their popular music is so offensive to
us in the 10% because they just don't care as much about music as we do!
This is the first time I have ever seen this laid out. It's make total
sense and is so obvious but people don't see it. Well done! I'm with Joe
also, it will interesting to see what these teenage pop fans of today will
be into in five years.
Joe
Music is definitely cyclical. May I also
add that it is demographically driven. When today teenage "Generation Y"
grows older, you can be sure of a substantial change in the music market.
Whether this will be good or bad remains to be seen.
Fred Durst
Yo Yo Limp B is not pop man. They are
hard core rapathugrock. They will be around a lot longer then metaliqueers
or those ac/dc bisexuel pansies cuz limp b is da bomb yo!
Reeses Pieces
M&M is a candy ass dick biter!
GOTH BROOKS
Cool! very, very cool! You covered it
all there buddy!
Matt
Good points and a well-written piece.
The only part that I disagree with is the comment that Eminem will be a
footnote in music history...His CDs are a pair of the most violent pieces
of music ever recorded, and in response to that, his album stayed at #1
on the charts for two months after its debut. Although I am more of a rock
fan, his style and music has a lot of rap-haters turning their heads. There
have been very few rappers that become synonymous with the genre itself
- Eminem will be one of them.
Autom
NO! NO! NO! NO! You stupid rock fans don't
care more about your stupid music than us cool people care about ours!
I will always love N Sync 'cuz they are the best group in the world and
are hotter than those dirty rock people. I don't care what you stupid rock
people say NYNC IS THE BEST AND ALWAYS WILL BE YOUR JUST JELEOUS!
Oldfart
I agree for the most part but how can
you say Nirvana will be remembered 10 years from now. Alternative was just
a trend like pop is now and will be forgotten too.
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