Posted bymagg0t:
Have you ever listened to the instruments
in the background of pop music? Ok what do I hear hmmm let's see... drums
and a keyboard!! WHere's the guitars and bass ppl? If a drumset, keyboard
and a pretty face is all it takes to become loved and accepted for about
5 years then why doesn't everyone do it! It takes REAL artists, real ppl
who WRITE theit own songs to make music!
Posted bybella:
i have never been so touched by an article
in my life. totally speechless........
Posted bythe
max:
Gabrielle, can you honestly tell me the
average Backstreet Boy fan concentrate more on the music than the magazines
and pictures she reads while listening to it as background noise. I don't
dictate what they get from the music...I call them as I see them. If there
are fans out there that feel that kind of music then good for them. They're
one of the few and proud (and uninfected~~AntiMtv.com~~). I knew I shouldn't
have made that metaphor, my apoligies...most people arent going to think
of it as the same way I do. What I'm trying to say is that manufactured
pop music is dangerous to the youths of today. Like it or not, the Britany
Spears and Christina Aguileras' are a major part of the reasons teenage
girls develop eating disorders. The rap stars who portray themsleves as
players and treat women as objects aren't helping younger boys develop
much respect towards women. Yes a large part can be put on the absence
of decent parenting, but, when the T.V. is going to be a generations mom
and dad...then maybe people who are in that influential of a position should
take a little more responsibility in the way they present themselves (they
sure like it when kids take them too seriously). When I say a person with
a knife I'm talking about pop icons and their creators posing a dangerous
threat to the audience they target. I'm sure I could have worded that another
way...but I didn't and I'm sorry you took that the wrong way. If you think
I'm that obsessed with whomever's delivering what message then by all means
think that. I know what I meant...and I did not mean that pop culture is
life threatening...but is sure as hell not very healthy.
Posted byGabrielle:
the music: who are you to dictate what
another person takes into themselves? you shouldnt be measuring your own
music against just anything thats out there. measure things on their own
individual levels. exploitation of music is a byproduct of a capitalist
society, and whether you like it or not, thats how our society is and its
not going to change anytime soon. (speaking of exploitation, i can think
of many other types that disturb me far more than an artless persons greed
and insensitivity.) whatever happened to live and let live (let die?)?
theres a fine line between fighting for your own cause and rights, real
or imagined, and conveniently overlooking another persons choices because
they dont coincide with your own. and as for your metaphor, i think theres
more than a fine line between a persons life in danger and the musical
futures of a few bubble gum teenagers. if you are so devoted to music that
you equate it with an innocent persons life, your devotion passes into
harmful obsession and you should have that checked out by a professional.
pop culture arose because people chose not to choose. and it is a choice,
an inherent right, the right to forfeit your rights.
Posted byFLICK:
ROCK MAY HAVE SLIPT UP A BIT WITH THE
LIKES OF LIMP F%^KWIT BUT POP MUSIC IS ALL S*&T THE SAME SONGS OVER
AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER
AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER, PEOPLE LIKE THAT SHOULD BY CASTRATED
Posted byAnonymous:
Vanilla Ice to Eminem? Well, I'm not a
fan of rap but I definitely think Eminem is better than Vanilla Ice. And
rock will live on... thank goodness for that.
Posted bythe
max:
I posted that under the wrong name....woops!
Posted bythe
music:
Gabrielle...Those pop fans aren't finding
anything in that music that is reaching out to them. They see it marketed
in commercials and Mtv. As teenagers, they are automatically going to embrace
the things that they are told are cool and whatnot. Our (meaning true music
fans) problems lie in the fact that these pop figures and their creators
see this and exploit it for all the wrong purposes. They are single handedly
defacing everything that we true music fans hold dear. It seems now that
instead of music being listened to for the sound, rythm, and feeling like
it's supposed to be, all we are seeing is puppets being shoved down the
throats of kids who don't know any better. We are not pissed off simply
because we think the music sucks. If that was the case you would be right.
We are reacting just as a person who is standing by watching somone being
robbed at knifepoint. Some of us are going to speak out and react and some
of us are just going to not do anything and forget the whole thing ever
happened.
Posted byGabrielle:
rock n roll is here to stay. pop, by nature,
is transitory. and yet...all who surround themselves with music must have
something inside them reaching out to that particular form of art. whether
singers or players or entertainers or mixers, they may not be creators,
but they are bringing sound and rhythm into this world. whether you like
to admit it or not, it is music. jazz was called a passing phase and an
aberration, and has become the greatest american form of music and gave
birth to almost all modern music. i boycott pop music as much as anyone
else here, but theres a certain communion within the music world. if you
see that, if you bring music into your soul, no matter how pure it is to
you, what good does it do to believe that entertainers are cheapening your
life? as long as you remain true, nothing and nobody can take that away
from you. and the least you can give anyone is respect for putting it out
there and allowing music to live on in their watered-down way. the music
of a culture becomes what that culture makes it, you cant blame the musicians.
its a rare musicican who actually changes something in the world, and then
that one needs to find an entire wave to make it lasting. im not condoning
pop by any means, and conflict does breed change and invention, but no
ones going to change anything by yelling about how youre right and theyre
wrong. it comes down to mutual understanding and respect. simply understanding
that what music they give is as much as they are able to give, and respect
for that amount, no matter how small or great.
Posted by-:
nirvana will always rule
Posted byKing:
Blue Oyster Cult, Sex Pistols, and Fugazi.
Yeah. And No Doubt.
Posted byMikey:
"Rock'n'roll is here to stay"
Posted bythe
max:
Korn is not rap-metal.
Posted byMike:
I think that the comparisons are really
well thought out, but there is just one difference. Just as the Hair Bands
were dying out in the early 1990s, what music do you predict will "die"
out soon? Rap Metal (Limp Biskit, Korn, etc.)
Posted byLady_picture47:
That is the most truthful goddamned insightful
thing i have heard this year
Posted bytiajen2000:
Geeze, kids, how long haave we been havin'
this fight? Seems like about since Rock-n-Roll hase BEEN. Don't mind me-
I'm just gonna turn up this KISS tune......
Posted byMasterOfPuppetz:
hey lindsay! pop is not a new genre! are
you nuts! pop has been around just as long as rock, its just that nobody
remembers most of the pop groups of the old days because they "went out
of style", rock bands tend not to "go out of style", because they actually
have loyal fans and not trendy a$$holes.
Posted byMe:
You people that sit and defend your eminem
probably prayed to nkotb in 90. they are great to you then as he is now
but you will forget them. you cant tell now but you will. the point is
that you cant tell greatness untill it has stood the test of time. All
this fad music is redicules. i like to refer to eminem as the rapping backstreet
boy. he plays to the teenage boys that buy his crap TO SELL RECORDS. And
you buy them because he is in. if you truly like what he does. i mean love
it, think you will be singing the real slim shady in your olden days your
crazy. Teenager rule the music world now and thats kind of sad. Im only
a teen myself but im a lot more resoponsible with my money. i buy true
rock. the doors, nirvana, the ramones, etc. Rock is a feeling. and it will
never die because great things never do. sadly we will have to keep it
alive by clutching the past because i dont think we can count much on th
furture.
Posted bybob:
I think this is all very amusing. I'm
going to keep my musical opinions to myself because I just *know* that
some of you are going to want to reply but I tell you now it would be wasted.
I don't plan on coming back here just to see what other people have to
say about me and my opinion. So there's that. What I really think is funny
is the amount of animosity people put here. And the profanity. Oh, the
profanity. For the record, I don't wholly and heartily agree with antiGUY,
but he (?) makes some good points. Thanks for the entertainment, guys.
Posted bythe
max:
DEAR GOD!!! I can't believe I just said
talent and Limp Bizkit in the same sentence!!! excuse me while I go wash
my mouth out with soap.
Posted bythe
max:
Breath easy SubXavier it's not a Who cover
(thank god) it's just a poor excuse for song. Limp totally blew it with
this last album. Deep down all their so called fans know it too. They may
have broke some sales records or what not but that's only cause they're
still relatively the flavor of the month to some retards. Unless they take
their time on this next one, and maybe put a little talent behind it, their
next album will be a total flop after this shyt.
Posted bySubXavier:
Limp Bizkit did "My Generation?" Oh god,
please don't tell me that's a Who cover... Did they actually have the audacity
to put a Who song on their album?
Posted byLindsay:
I don't think that pop groups are trying
to kill pop, I think pop music is just a new genre of music that is here
to stay, just like good ol'rock and roll.
Posted bythe
max:
"Shady" your ignorance betrays your juvenille
mind...I'm 20 and if that's an Old fart to you...then you have alot of
growing up to do son. 10 years from now you will be too embarrased to tell
anyone you listened to Limp Bizkit or Eminem...I gaurantee it. The only
"music geek" (as you so immaturely put it) here, is you. For all you people
who want to know what the definiton of a poser is...check out Shady's ridiculous
post. Now, "Shady" turn your Red Yankees' bseball cap backwards over your
bleach blonde hair, pull your pants up and walk your pathetic wigger a$$
back home to your mommy. Have her bake you some cookies too. After your
done there you can go up to your room put on your headphones and listen
to Fred Durst say fukk 46 times in a 3 minute song. Get a fukking clue
you stupid little shyt.
Posted byPancake:
You people have very narrow definitions
of genre if you can't tell that most rock music is pop and vice versa.
Rock and roll is actually a subgenre of pop, which is far more encompassing
to include any variety of music that's widely popular. The Beatles and
Rolling Stones were rock bands and they were pop bands. Limp Bizkit and
Korn are rock bands and are pop bands. Rock will only die if no one performs
it any longer, which does not seem to be the case now 50 years after its
introduction any more than dixieland jazz is dead, for there are still
bands playing that form of music and people enjoying it. Pop existed before
rock and will exist after rock, because there will always be some form
of music that appeals to any given generation. Musicians will play what
people want to hear because they generally want to make a living playing
music, if they can.
Posted byShady:
Pft..what a bunch of music geeks. Why
does everyone hate Limp Bizkit? And Eminem? If y'all think Eminem and Limp
Bizkit will go away you're very mistaken. It's thought that rock WILL die
and the only band that's original to emerge is Limp Bizkit. And Eminem
is the most popular rapper EVER. His name's a household name. He will never
be forgotten like Tupac never will be ( RIP brother) or BIGGIE SMALLS (
RIP) I wish all of you little losers would listen to a whole Limp Bizkit
album. Limp has altered their music from rock to rock-rap to a very original
sound, and if you've heard the whole Chocolate Starfish album, you'd agree.
Rollin' is a good song. My Generation's good also, but their album has
far better sounds. Metallica's on its last legs, and Papa Roach all that
poo is gonna fade away. You old f@rts are just sad the old days are not
back. RATM was same-old same-old rock with a political twist to it. I do
agree though that rock will die, and the semi-rock bands who are in it
will have to alter their music to adhere to it. And no, rap is not dead.
Rap will be here for a long time, it will eventually die though. My prediction
is that everything will change in the next ten years, while this huge teenie
bop boyband cr@p will subside. I say everyone just listen to whatever they
want and forget what everyone thinks.
Posted bySteely
Phil:
Pop charts don't mean a thing! A band
is not ranked by the amount of awards it gets, but the significance of
the music. For example: Rage Against the Machine came back this year with
a flash and played the democratic national convention, now that's significance!
Limp Bizkit and Korn will most likely fade to black, and the pop groups
will go away, letting a new age of musicial understanding into the upcoming
decade.
Posted bykyle:
okay... one thing, the real good rock
stuff, never was HUGE. it was popular to a point, but for most bands, look
in underground websites, gauntlet.com, antimtv.com for good new metal,
not limp bizkit, ugh. its like saying oh poison was hard rock. bull$hit.
pop exists all the time because there are 11 year olds. but rock exists
because there are 13-xx year olds. theres a different between pop and rock/pop.
creed = hardER rock pop. britney spears = pop (there goes her implants
:o) ). 11 year olds never liked ozzy. they liked $hit. these bands have
sugary love songs to please the little kids, who cares, THE ONLY WAY ROCK
WILL DIE IS IF WE LET IT DIE.
Posted byOzzy:
Me thinks Scott missed the point entirely.
Posted byScott:
Great, more metal enthusiasts comparing
Ozzie to Beethoven. Look, pop has existed for the greater part of this
century, pretty much immediately after the record was invented. When swing
was big, hipsters called it pop and snapped their fingers to jazz. When
rock blossomed, Hendrix fans denounced the Turtles as teenage prattle (which
they were in my opinion). If I listened to the radio in the 60's, I'd hear
a lot of pop rubbish too. The same thing is happening now. There IS good
music being produced now, but the style everyone on this board likes (hard
rock/arena rock) isn't being produced like it used to. Why? Because the
youth underground (which created Stones, Nirvana, The Clash, etc) has moved
to hiphop and techno. Neither Fatboy Slim nor Puff Daddy count as "underground"
youth music, you can lump them into the Turtles of Electronica and Hiphop.
If anyone on this board would bother to look beyond the top 40s of these
genres, they might be pleasantly surprised. Because the current train of
thought on this board is: "There isn't much hard rock being produced anymore.
And everything I hear on the radio doesn't sound much like hard rock. Ergot,
real music is dead." Ridiculous.
Posted bysTuPiDieTTe:
True, rock stays around quite a long time,
but these pop groups (ie NSync, B.Spears) don't look like they'll be goin
away any time soon.. If only MTV would play some music other than TRL and
people weren't so passive...
Posted byIzan
or Izzy:
direct hit. telling it as it is.
Posted bythe
max:
I hope your mommy posted that Essay on
your refrigerator...cause I'm giving it a big fat A+.
Posted byRiffer:
Pop's dead in my eyes. There's no substance
in it to continue on as long as rock has. Guess we'll all see in about
20 or 30 years though. BTW, Limp Bizkit is considered a rap/pop band by
most rock fans and by 100% of metal fans. Those statistics seem about right
=)
Posted byLucy:
At this moment I am standing, clapping
and have a tear running down my cheek. Wow!! You put some thought into
that one and I applaud the effort, the concept and the final cut. Bravo!
Posted byLostconcept:
A Perspective Of Today's Music Scene By:
John Avino It seems that no longer is music a form of art. It’s more like
a form of entertainment. All new acts including and not limited to: Backstreet
Boys, ‘Nsync, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, and 98degrees all have
taken over the music scene with their so-called good looks and minimal
talent. Girls (mostly teens) have become infatuated with the image of “the
boyband” and obsessed with looking like Britney Spears or Christina Aguilera.
The record companies have had so much money pouring in from these performers
(I refuse to call them artists), that they have been shunning hard working
musicians who actually write their own songs and play instruments. Music
is supposed to be a form of art. Not a form of entertainment. Music is
meant to be created by an artist as a form of expression. Most of the current
crop of BSB and Britney copies don’t write their own songs, nor do they
play any instruments. But still, they take the spotlight. Not the songwriters.
Not the bands. All the people seem to care about are the performers. And
the song writers who write the songs are only writing for money. There
isn’t any expression in these tailor-made for radio songs. They’re just
being paid to write a hit. Frankly, it doesn’t even matter if the song
makes sense. It just has to have a catchy hook. There’s no originality.
I’m just hoping for a revolution, where REAL music by REAL artists regains
control of the music scene. My definition of real music is: A powerful
expression of creativity and emotion. Musicians are artists who have a
rare gift of insight and can translate their visions into sound. The musician
is part and parcel of the music which he or she writes, records, and performs.
The message contained in the music can be political or spiritual, personal
or universal. Most importantly, it is the musician’s own. Music has the
power to affect mood. It can be positive and uplifting, or it can be melancholy
and depressing. It can invoke memories or create new ones. Real music is
created by the musician, not by a paid writer or by a technician in a studio.
It is written by the artist. It is performed by the artist or band. The
musicians not only sing their songs, but play their own instruments as
well. The instruments are part of the total package of the music. In fact,
up until the most recent century, music did not have vocals at all. Think
Bach, Beethoven, Motzart. Whether it is in the mastery of a guitar solo
or in the beauty of a piano chord, the music is created by the instruments.
Not to imply that all music must have instruments. Even acapella uses the
voice as an instrument of expression. What music must have is talent, originality,
and emotion. Real Music is Not: A group of people chosen for their looks,
being handed a pre-written song and pre-recorded backup music, doing their
best to sing and dance onstage. At best, that’s entertainment. At worst,
it’s a mockery of everything that real music is. So if you’re wondering
what my beef is with “packaged” music, there you have it. When the Backstreet
Boys and N’Sync and Britney Spears and all their clones start expressing
themselves and displaying some talent instead of bare chests or cleavage,
then they can start using the term “music”. Real Music is also not someone
stealing segments and clips of someone else’s music and “mixing” it together.
Sorry Fatboy Slim, but that just won’t cut it. I have nothing against any
general form of music, as long as it’s pure. But to the Puff Daddies and
the Jay-Zs of the world, originality is not a dirty word. I have nothing
against smart marketing, and I will agree that these so-called bands have
that going for them. ....... But please, don’t call it music.
Posted bykay:
Autom you are a complete ret*rd, sorry
but you r if u think that N Sync are the best band in the world! Get real
you low life, you are completely blinde man or wotever you are! Open your
eyes to what is REAL!
Posted bykay:
i completely agree, but true about nirvana,
ac/dc and black sabbath but what about the chili peppers and the smashing
pumknins and radiohead!
Posted bythe
max:
So should we break out the flea shampoo?
Or is this a job for Head and shoulders?
Posted bymetalhead:
hey anti-guy pop people are sheep and
retards.they just like pop because its the "trend".thats a stupid reason
to like anything
Posted byHessen:
People who speak in metaphors should shampoo
my crotch
Posted bySegar:
Rock 'n Roll Never Forgets
Mr Flibble
I agree but you know there will always
be pop and there will always be rock. For every mainstream rock/rap/metal/whatever
band there will always be ten better ones all waiting for a record deal
or a bit of airplay. Limp Bizkit and Creed might not make the most amazingly
innovative music but would you honestly rather listen to Nsync?
WISCOBOY
AntiGuy, I basically agree with your point
of view, but with some reservations. I believe that true rock bands have
been able to remain intact because of their art, while today you see the
evidence that the only reason to be in music is the money, which in the
end can not sustain a band through naturally occurring conflicts which
arise within them. I also believe that since the early 90's, the overexposure
of bands pushed on us listeners by the corporate commercialism causes a
"boredom to numbness" towards performers(notice I didn't say artists, since
most of what is seen and heard today is nothing more than product, i.e.
Leanne Rhymes, all the boy bands, most of the young blondes, etc.). Being
a product of the 70's, listening and appreciating ARTISTS such as RUSH,
Jethro Tull, Robin Trower, and the like, it's sad to see the road the music
genre has travelled since. The real threat to originality are the record
executives who only play by the bottom line, unwilling to take chances
with new music ideas.
T bone
AntiGuy that was powerful brother! I think
you said it all, how can I expand on that? Hats off to you on a job well
done!
lol
You made some good points, I applaude
you but there are too many nontalented bands out called rock that are crapity
crap crap crap. 3 doors down? Who will care about them in 10 years? I could
be wrong TSOL still has some mindless followers but they have always sucked.
kwisto
Everything in this is true, but everybody
seems to forget a band that really $ucks: Creed. That's what I call posers.
Also the whole rap-metal wave is only bull$hit, I hate Limp Bizkit. We
need somebody to change things... Kurt come back!
Whatever
must..refrain..from..pointing out..that
homeycheez...is...a...retard..oops
Anarchist
What! Nirvana won't be remembered in 10
years? A trendy operation? Give me a break comrade, that kind of junk you
said is pure garbage and the stuff "metal" bigots have been spouting since
Nirvana's surprising arrival . Let it Freaking go. Sorry pal, but when
I think of "Mainstream" metal I think of Skid Row which equals Limp Bizkit
and Def Leppard which equals Korn. Yeah so the newer Rapcore stuff uses
a more distorted guitars, Korn's generation wanted to be different from
the "cough" Alternative and have, with the leftover's of the "Grunge" revolution.
What comes next as the "next big thing" is unknowable, but for sure Nirvana
will be part of its ancestry like part of ACDC's became part of the Grunge
Revolution. Might want to try to become a little more open. Thrash metal
is my favorite kind of metal, was it just a trend?
Lucy
There are some post I just simply pass
over.
SubXavier
...Too many hours with the Hooked on Phonics,
Cheez...
antiGIRL
I love you antiGUY! Please have my antiBABIES!
MasterOfPuppetz
Ebonics...
HomeyCheez
Yo yo - why du u gotz to be dissin' Limp
Bizket? They are the shiz'nit, fool! Yo' betta check yo' self befo' yo'
rek yo' self, punk a$$ bee-ai-otch! An' why u gotz to b all like "they
ain't gotz no skillz" - u best rekognyz, punk! Dey b just as skilful as
me, dog. U just ain't az smart & junk lyke dem an' me, so u don'ts
undurstand. U no dey gotz mad skilz, cuz it ain't ez to be talkin' on top
of phatty beetz w/ dem gitars goin' "chugga chuga". Man, Limp is like,
Motzart, or that Baytoven! Dey'z is jeeneouses! Yo yo, bro, Fred is a mad
gangsta! Just b-cuz milyons uv Peeple thynk dat day'z iz phatty dope bombness
duzn't meen dat dey ain't stil hardkor an' junk! I'm shur dat dey jus lyk
raygular folkz, evin tho dey iz rych - I bet dey reely kare 'bout da fanz
an' keepyn' it reel, not jus' da benjamins, yo!
Max Cavelera
I am god, Me and Jesus (Phil Anselmo)
think "the max" deserves free tickets to our upcoming tour. We are currently
looking into getting Slipknot and Mudvayne on the bill with us...this would
please us all very much. Until then FUKK SHYT UP!!!
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