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Dr. Fever
SubXavier
Yes, Messiah, the people
take the music for themselves from Napster, but Napster *offered* it. Your
analogy places you at punishing the kids for drinking the soda... but if
the soda was offered to them, isn't that kind of hypocritical? I think
that Napster, very much deservedly, is taking the heat for being the middleman
in this whole fiasco.
MasterOfPuppetz
guess not, oh poo
MasterOfPuppetz
hey dude you beat my entry
are you still on if so respond
MasterOfPuppetz
Your right messiah, people
are the badguys in this situation, and other people who use napster to
preview music and find rare song shouldnt lose napster, we can just take
comfort that the people who get songs and make there own cds will all burn
in hell =P
metallicafan
you r damn right man METALLICA
is the best and will always be the best.
The one and
only Messiah
Dr. Fever, you and I both
know each other. Yes it is me. We discussed this issue on my porch for
over 2 hours. I see what you are saying, and I agree to some point. Understand
this, as I stated on my porch, Napster is yet the playing field(if you
will). A program that makes it possible to trade music between users. Now,...Napster
is not responsible for the "fans" stealing the music or receiving it and
placing it on the program for other users to share. It is kind of like
a can of soda. I can place it between two kids and leave the room. Then
eventually, one of the kids will decide to take a drink. The other kid
sees this and decides he or she can also take a drink. I return to the
room and catch them drinking it and decide they must be punished. I didn't
mean for those children to take a drink, but it did happen. Same goes for
Napster. You said it yourself, you use it to find rare songs. I use napster
to decide wheither or not to buy a cd. If I don't like certain songs, it
seems to me it would be a waste of money. I mean even CD Now provides a
30-40 second demo of certain tracks of a cd. As far as Metallica is concerned,
I don't hold anything against them. I just think that if they are going
to sue anyone, find and sue the people who are distributing songs like,"
I disappear" before the MI-2 soundtrack was available. I think it is presumptuous,
for Metallica to sue a program like Napster. That would be like taking
Netscape for providing a service to download porn to minors when Netscape
only provides a navagator to other web masters web sites. Oh yeah and Limp
Bizkit sucks! ps. I agree with your rant to a point, but beyond that point,
I am afraid you are wrong. You are a huge fan of Metallica, I know this,
but their are those who are bigger(not that I claim to be as big as you)fans
and are discouraged by this, but please understand DJF...fans have a right
to speak their mind wheither or not they truly are fans or not. Freedom
of Speech is something you and I know alot about due to our major. Lets
face it, you shouldn't tell anyone to shut the f*ck up. They do have the
right to speak their mind!
SubXavier
Ahh... good. I was getting
scared there for a minute.
dr fever
the only way metallica could
get me to eat poop is if jaymz hetfield were standing over me with a shotgun
telling me to do it or i'll die...in other words...being a diehard fan
does have it's limits.
SubXavier
Well, of course, it's about
money. Wouldn't you want to get paid for what you do for work?
Pdsignal20
I read your rant and you
certainly have a point but to put so much blind faith in a BAND, for crying
out loud. If Metallic tells you poop tastes like chicken are you going
to eat it? This is all over money, if Metallica didn't care about getting
paid and really cared about loyal fans like your self they would trust
you to not rip them off. For Lars to go on TV and say that this is about
anything other than money is very insulting. The Grateful Dead never cared
about whether their fans were taping their shows and bands that are still
active (Phish) follow this trend. This is not to say all bands should do
this but goes show that Metallica has an issue with money, and nothing
else.
SubXavier
Looking up at the article...
it says that if you're a true die-hard fan you'd go with whatever the band
says to do... are we falling into some musical idolism or something?
SubXavier
Huh? What religious point...
*scrolls down* Oh. Well, I guess that somewhat makes sense... but religions
don't die out every week like TRL bands do.
GREEN MUSE
DR FEVER MADE A REAL GOOD
POINT WITH THE RELIGION THING,A DAMN GOOD POINT
SubXavier
*sigh...* You people talk
too much... my post got pushed off. Anyway, this isn't about Metallica,
to begin with... it's about the (supposedly) illegal swapping of music,
the blood, sweat and tears of these artists. Obviously I'm on the side
of Metallica and Dr. Dre, but I try to be objective. It's alright if artists
want to allow bootlegs and CD burnings, but ravenous record companies will
never let this happen, at least not in the forseeable future.
MasterOfPuppetz
these arguments are geting
to evil and menacing for me, im just gonna sit back and watch from now
on (long live metallica
Karship
Well, dude, Napster handled
the banning of users, not Metallica. Metallica only wanted the mp3s from
their
cds banned. Of course, the morons at Napster don't know sh!t about Metallica
and just banned anything that said Metallica in it, so basically you could
have had some indie band with a song called "F@ck Metallica" and you would
have been banned. Don't blame Metallica for Napster's stupidity.
Rob
hey guy who got banned from
Napster for having that Metallica mp3: there's a loophole to get back on
Napster, you dummy. All you have to do is lie and claim to Napster you
didn't have any Metallica, and then Metallica has ten days in which to
file a lawsuit against you (which they won't do, because they're not like
that, and they haven't done that yet) and you're reinstated. All Metallica
wanted was their files removed, but it's not possible.
Rob
I liked your article. I
don't agree with every action Metallica took against Napster, but you made
the point that I've been saying all along--a real fan of Metallica would
buy the cds. People who claim Metallica were railing against their fans
are idiots. I wouldn't consider a freckled 14 year old geek with no knowledge
of music who has a "Hero of the Day" mp3 to be a Metallica fan, now would
you? No. the only Metallica mp3s I have are concert ones, nothing else,
and I'm not talking Live Shit either, I own that Boxed Set, yes, I paid
for it. In fact, I've paid for every bootleg, everythign I own by Metallica.
This Napster thing has been blown out. Nobody even talks about the fact
that the biggest suit against Napster was placed by the RIAA--and they
won! Metallica and Dre were threatening action, but their claims weren't
even near as damaging. The new thing for me that annoys the hell out of
me is this staged Offspring-Napster thing. Offspring have always loved
Napster and tried to prove a point to people by selling Napster t-shirts
and hats. Feeling Napster wouldn't retaliate, they figured this would show
Napster to be a cool bunch of guys, to say "hey they aren't rushing to
sue." Wrong. Napster filed a cease and desist and warned them not to do
it anymore. Ironically, a few days later, this little cease and desist
was lifted, said to be a "mistake", and the two of them teamed up and are
now selling the t-shirts and donating the money to charity. CAN ANYBODY
SAY "STAGED"? Basically, Napster was going to sue as well until they found
out what Offspring were trying to do, so they basically retraced their
footsteps and tried to cover up what they had done to save their image.
Pathetic. Napster sucks. End of story. Connection rates suck there, you
can find most of the files in any cd store, and as far as mp3 trading goes,
it's inferior to many other services I've used to do this. Other places
have much better selections, much easier usability, and much better connection
speeds. People that think mp3 trading started with Napster are the same
morons that think Windows is the only computer software out there.
Dr Fever
ayatollah...gee...maybe
next time you could come up with an argument that's your own...and not
a bunch off WWF catchphrases. That's pretty pathetic...
Ayatollah
Listen up Slapnutz! Metallica
is 10 pounds of monkey crap in a 5 pound bag. They BiznITCH and moan about
losing money. They are a bunch of $2 Jabronis. It's true! It's true! They
should take their ROODY-POO CANDYA$$E$ back to Cuba because they are acting
like Communist bastards! Napster is the game! Napster is THAT DAMN GOOD!!
les
Who cares. Anyone even remotely
interested in a band where the "singer", and I use that term rather loosely,
goes "wah" at the end of every line in thier songs ad nauseum must be a
total idiot.
The Voice of
Reason
Dear me. It sure is difficult
to have an opinion these days isn't it? Can't we all just get along. Anyway,
in regards to Napster and Metallica, what Napster is doing is wrong. I
think that should be apparent to everyone. When you write something you
own it. Lets compare a song to an invention. If someone invents something,
not just anyone can go sell it. They have to get permission. Napster never
got permission. Now I know this is obvious and has probably been said a
million times but I felt I just had to say it again. Now all you scary
people can go ahead and tear my opinion apart and threaten me personnaly
:)
Zer0
i agree with Dr. Fever's
comments about religion.. but the only difference between he and I is that
I AM an atheist... personally, I don't care what happens to Metallica or
Napster.. I only own a couple Metallica albums.. and I don't even have
Napster (mostly cuz my damn comp's too small to hold mp3s) although.. I
dunno why people shouldn't feel betrayed.. I mean, seriously... if my name
was on a list of 300,000 or so people that was turned in to the authorities...
I'd be scared and pissed too... and I've said it numerous times... if it
was all about Lars being online and finding an mp3 file of "I Disappear"
online 3 months before the MI2 album was supposed to be released.. that
maybe they should've concentrated on how it got posted in the first place...
because if it was on a computer somewhere in storage (that had a connection
to the net) and got hacked by someone... they should've known better..
or if it got out in disk form and ripped to mp3 later somewhere.. don't
you think they should be looking for the leak?.. it just doesn't make sense
to me... i dunno... anyway.. that's enough of me.. (i know you're all SO
relieved :P) later -0
dr fever
to add: if you read my column
and ALL you see is my language, then you are missing the point completlely.
Dr Fever
ok, a couple points. It's
been brought to my attention that if you are a fan of a particular band
and you bye a lot of there shyt then you are a sheep. Hmmm...now, that
would make you a fan. BUT, if you belive that line of thinking then they're
are a lot of ways you're a sheep. To me, the most obvious one is religon.
Think about it...if you belive the line of thinking then all these people
who go to church every sunday and wednesday, and go for every revival are
all just sheep. the same people who line the churches pockets with money
and bye bibles..they're just sheep. Now, let me clarify, i'm not some kind
of atheist or some shyt...i belive in god, and heaven, and hell. But, unlike
95% of the people in my hometown, I don't turn my entire life over too
it. So, think about it a second, IF you belive that being a diehard fan
of a band, or singer or rapper or whatever makes you a sheep (you're only
a sheep if you are a diehard fan of someone as long as they're popular
or on mtv or both..then you are no longer a fan when they've been replaced
by the next big thing and you become a 'diehard' fan of that artist..and
so forth and so on) then my comments make sense. Otherwise, wake the hell
up and realize that being an actually fan of a band and buying they're
posters,t-shirts and shyt..this don't make you a sheep. Yes, this even
applies to boy bands. Like I said, the sheep factor comes in when you change
you're opinion when they're no longer on TRL. Think about it. Of course,
like I always say, this is just my opinion, i could be wrong.
me
um...you have a glaring
grammar error in capital letters, just wanted to point that out. who cares
what metallica does anyway and why are THEY making such a big deal about
not getting enough royalties, blah blah blah and what is all this about
being sheep? i mean...there are two basic sides to this debate so either
way you go you're following one major opinion or the other, so wouldn't
you metallica supporters technically be sheep too? basically this whole
thing has been blown up way too much and metallica should pay napster because
they're getting a whole lot of airtime because of this whole stupid thing
lol
BadHabit
Actually, Dr. Fever, it's
nice to see someone with loyalties in this world.You will prolly make a
great husband one day:)hahah
THE DUDE
I'm Gay
Crdeath27
You know what the funniest
thing I hear from the mindless goons who whine about Metallica suing napster
is people who say "What bull$hit man, they're suing their fans" Hey dumbfuks,
they didn't sue the people who d/l their songs. Retards, they sued Napster...not
the fans. So like the dumbass down there said "Uh, does this include being
sued for being a fan?" he really makes no sense at all. Kind of amusing
isn't it? -Cr
dr fever
apparently being a fan of
a band in this day and time is a lot different than what it once was...now,
you have be some fukkin MTV sheep and change your favorite band every five
minutes just so you can stay current with what's hot on TRL...all you people
coming in here, bashing me, my friends, my favorite band and my column
make me flat out fukkking sick!!! Oh, you think Metallica makes you sick??
You have no clue how sick brainless fukkkks (ALL of you that are doing
the bashing) make me! I have literally sat in my local mall and picked
out the people that i can tell fit into this catagory and thought of ways
to rid the world of them...yes, ladies and gentlemen, the Doc is a sick,sick
human who truely hates this world....and oh, i'm sure all of you will just
sit and think(or say, or type) that i'm just hiding behind my keyboard
and being a hardazzz, well, you're wrong..i really am this sick. Now, if
you'll excuse me, i'm gonna go watch fight club and figure out more ways
to beat the shyt out of people...as far as me and my column go...Go ahead,
keep talking shyt, you're just fueling me and the column will only get
worse until (in all likely hood) i'll be banned...go ahead, play with fire,
i promise you WILL get burned.
Puke and Blow
boys (seek and destroy)
I love all these brainwashed
fools commenting on metallica with all of this "real fan crap." the only
one that you're fooling is yourself. Some JackA$$ was dumb enough to say
"if you really like the band you will support them in whatever they do."
Uh, does this include being sued for being a fan? when metallica was still
good i would say yeah, ok metallica has the right to do this but come on...
they've blown their wad. they screwed up in 1996 and as far as i go, they
have paid for it ever since, I don't pay attention to anything they do
unless someone else brings it to my attention. Unfortunately someone happened
to waste my time telling me about this napster crap so therefore i know
about it. But although metallica stinks nowadays so does every other rock
band except for limp bizkit. I love the limp song on the MI2 soundtrack
but i still refrained from buying it cause metallica is on the same CD.
Damn Metallica is like the plague huh?
Daniel
...And Justice For All is
the best Metallica CD. One kicks ass. Dyers Eve,Blackend,and To Live Is
To Die kick ass too.
Daniel(metallicafan#1)
I wholeheartedly agree.
These people out there are blind to these facts. You need to give these
little basterds a dose of reality. Great Job Doc!!!!!!!! Daniel Charo age
15
GREEN MUSE
how poetic,sounds like another
hit for metallica.its about the quality of the swill they have been pumping
out lately.your probally right metallica will be around forever.to become
the next laughing stock.kiss is retireing soon,so someone needs to take
their place,or else all the losers whose motto is death to false metal,will
have no where to go.maybe if you could pull your head out of lars's ass
this would make sense.or maybe not.... i did apprieciate the song though.got
me pegged i love those backstreet boys.yup i got all their faces tattooed
on my back.just got it finished yesterday.
Boggsberg
Hey Hey Hey, Here Green
Muse goes, Here he goes...... Running his jaw. Hey Hey Hey, Here he goes
now, Here he goes........ Kissing a picture of the Backdoor Boys on his
wall! Green Muse...........you need to go down on the grab those pea sized
balls......and use them for something more than making no sense at all!
Metallica will always be GREAT! Metallica will always be the BEST! And
Metallica will always PISS YOU OFF, because they are so much better off
than you are, BOY! That upsets you. And you know what......it will always
get under your skin, because if you like or not.....METALLICA WILL BE AROUND
FOREVER!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
dr fever
Green Muse..reading your
posts makes my brain hurt, literally. They have no direction and make no
sense...hey, if you're gonna post on my column, at least put some thought
into it first please...i would appreciate it.
GREEN MUSE
I LOVE BOGGSGERG CLOSING
"YALL ARE A BUNCH OF PANSIES AND FAGS"SUMS UP ALOT OF METALLICA S FANS,HOMOPHOBIC
REDNECKS.AS FAR AS IT BEING OUT ON NAPSTER THREE MONTHS BEFORE REALEASE
SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE AT THE STUDIO IS RESPONSABLE FOR THAT ONE.AS FAR AS
DR FEVER'S RESPONSE,IT PROVES MY POINT KINDA,THAT METALLICAS REAL FANS
WILL ALWAYS PAY EM FOR THEIR STUFF.
Boggsberg
The issue here isn't really
the fact that Napster was making the song available. It's the fact that
they made the song available THREE MONTHS before the song was even finished
and put on the M:I-2 Soundtrack. Metallica is one of the greatest and most
successful bands in music history. They are OUR version of Zepplin, the
Beatles, and Elvis. And each genre has evolved from the other. So, you
idiots out there, how think that Metallica stinks and they've sold out......you
are the same people that cry when a member of N'Stink breaks a fingernail...y'all
are a bunch a pansies and fags!
MRT
I PITY THE FOO WHO BUYS
INTO METILLICA.THOSE FOOS BEEN TALKIN JIBBA JABBA FOR WAY TOO LONG NOW,AFTER
I DRINK MT MILK IM GONNA RUN EM DOWN WITH MY VAN,THOSE FOOS DONT STAND
A CHANCE,MY VAN IS FAST!!! DR FEVER MAY BE TUFF,BUT NOT AS TUFF AS ME,
MR T
MasterOfPuppetz
have you been paying attention
green muse, this is a moral issue, its not about money, Cashtallica? thats
just stupid. dont you retards relize that the money they make or lose because
of napster doesent mean SHIT to them, they are just trying to stop people
from stealing there music, one argument i heat a lot is "most people who
get mp3s wouldnt buy the cd anyway so the band is not making or losing
any money" BULLSHIT, if you dont feel like buying a candy bar, but you
get a chance to have it for free, your gonna take it, I agree with eagles
statment, THIS IS AMERICA, THIS IS NOT CHINA, YOU HAVE TO PAY TO GET SOMETHING,
YOU DONT GET STUFF FOR FREE, Ps: eagles, we may not agree on grunge, but
METALLICA IS THE BEST BAND OF ALL TIME!!!!!!!!
MasterOfPuppetz
HOLY SHIT DR FEVER,YOUR
COOL AS HELL, THIS ONES EVEN BETTER THAN THE ANTI MTV ARTICLE, LONG LIVE
METALLICA
DR FEVER
green muse...awwww, does
you pu$$y hurt???? i mean, if you're gonna go off, at least try and make
some sense, and, if you're gonna try and insult me at least come up with
something better than some ol fourth grade shyt like Dr Ass. One last thing...jealousy's
a motherfuKKKer aint it!??!!?
GREEN MUSE
CA$HTALLICA,LOSING MONEY
CMON THEY HAVE A HUGE FANBASE,AND LIKE THAT GUY SAID,WHO WOULD WANT TO
HEAR A SHODDY COPY RATHER THAN THE REAL THING,I HAVE NEVER USED NAPSTER,BUT
I THINK MOST PEOPLE DOWNLOAD A SONG OR TWO,THEN GO BUY THE CD,CDP PLAYERS
ARE MUCH EASIER TO CARRY THAN A COMPUTER.SURE NAPSTER VIOLATES COPYRIGHT
LAWS.BUT SO DO LOTS OF PEOPLE WHEN THEY COPY AN ALBULM FOR SOMEONE.HOW
ELSE WOULD ONE GO ABOUT GETTING SOMETHING LIKE OP IVYS OLD OLD STUFF?IF
CASHTALLICA IS LOSING MONEY,ITS CHUMP CHANGE,THEYLL NEVER MISS IT. ALSO
I THINK ITS UNFAIR IN DR ASS'S I MEAN DR FEVERS RANT HE CAN SAY FUC-K AND
I HAVE TO SPELL IT FUNNY........
420 guy
how come he gets to say
f*ck but i can't.what up there?
LoKi Omega
At least Metallica had the
balls to do it first. I see all these people coming out with suits against
Napster. I think the point is moot about eliminating MP3 trading. Its not
like we stop CD burning, graphic/lyrical stuff on websites, and numerous
other ways of copyright infringement. People will find new ways to get
what they want. No use arguing about how lame or cool Metallica is or whether
they sold out or are still the best metal band of all time. Metallica just
seems to be a pawn in the (useless) fight against illegal markets. (LoKi
Omega the Self-Proclaimed Genius)
Kyle
I absolutely love that article.
I'm not an old, back-in-the-day fan of Metallica but even I know that they've
always done whatever they wanted, whether it pleases people or not. When
I heard that they were sueing Napster I hardly that anything of it. When
even my friend got kicked of Napster for downloading some Garage Days songs,
I just told him to download it again. Of course he was kind of angry about
it but it's just not a big deal to us. Like most of Durst's fans just act
like they don't like Metallica just because Durst is acting like he's all
pro-Napster. But we all now Durst is getting paid a bundle for his "free"
tour hosted by Napster. I just can't believe how ignorant some of his fans
are.
Dr Fever
it's true..it's true, metallica
may be acting anal about their music..but, the only thing is (i've been
saying this pretty much all along), they were the FIRST to come out against
napster, i will guarantee you that if metallica hadn't done it then someone
else would have and all of us would be choosing sides on that one...so,
keep in mind that it could have been anyone, but metallica just got there
first. now, NO ONE else is gonna go as ballz to wall about it as metallica
because they KNOW they'll get crucified....but, like i always say, this
is just my opinion, i could be wrong.
BadHabit
I couldn't have said it
better myself, stormrider. Why let someone walk all over you, just cuz
they kick(ed) ass?
Crdeath27
Everyone likes to kinda
shove the fact that Metallica built their fanbase off demo tapes in everyone's
faces as some sort of agrument in their favor. Yet the problem with that
argument is: Demo tapes are recorded with the INTENTION that they will
be traded freely. They are made for that purpose and the band realizes
this when they make a demo tape. No one gave Metallica a choice as to wether
or not they wanted to have thier music on napster. And stormrider...you
may be right..illegal is illegal, and there shouldn't be any different
levels of it, but that's a whole other debate. The fact of the matter is
if everyone went after EVERY little thing, it would be one big pain in
the ass. If metallica sued someone for useing the metalistar image on their
sight, then you @ssholes would be calling them sellouts even more. Yet
you are complaining because they let that stuff slide but get made at their
music being traded freely...damned if they do, damned if they don't. Make
up your mind.
Rusty
Metallica has left behind
a lot of original fans. At one point, they were my absolute favorite band.
You have to admit, they did change pretty drastically. They first became
popular in the bootleg tape trade which, admit it or not, is the same thing
as napster (you just have access to a lot more material.) I'm busting my
@$$ in school to make money; if they think they're getting any sympathy
about losing money, they got another thing coming. They nedd to concentrate
on making an actual complete, original album, with no gimmicks like a symphony
or a bunch of covers. MP3s aren't going anywhere. They need to get on with
making music instead of persecuting people that are trying to listen to
their music.
Stormrider
Hey... thanks for the intelligent
reply. Now, the way I see it, if reproducing copywrited material is illegal,
then it should be illegal. Not just when they feel like it. Just today,
I was reading through a usenet newsgroup and someone had posted the lyrics
to quite a few of Metallica's songs (the first 4 and reload for some strange
reason). This is also reproducing their material. In the same newsgroup,
someone else requested an image for the Metallica star... another person
said it was on his website... now, I'm pretty sure those two didn't get
permission from Metallica to reproduce that star, or for that one guy to
upload that star onto his website. Would Metallica be after Napster if
they advertized trading of any type of file? It just seems like Metallica
are being anal about their music, and their rights. Just like I have a
right to sit here and say "F*ck you!" to every person that talks to me,
or saying "You suck! I'm right, you're wrong!!!" It doesn't really accomplish
much, and I would probably be forced to live like a hermit. That's my gripe
about this whole situation. If they want to be so anti-social, and act
like they don't need anyone, they should just move to some remote island
in the middle of the Pacific and stay there.
Dr Fever
Stormrider...i hope you
see this. Now, it would be easy to just sit here and flame you all night
till the sun comes up, but that would accomplish nothing. I will admit,
you make some vaild points..honestly. BUT, i'd like to clarify something
for you so maybe you'll have a better understanding of the good doc. First,
all those years ago when i first go into Metallica it wasn't as some sort
of 'crutch' to get through youth..hell no! it was because they rocked (and
I feel they still do). As far as you comments about metal fans...hey, i
like metal as much as the next guy. Give me Slayers' "angel or death" or
"war ensemble" and i'm happy. But, i'm MORE into the (for lack of a better
term) modern metal...and i DO NOT mean shYt like korn and limp and all
that shyt. i mean bands like snapcase, hatebreed, zao, messhugah, indescision,
brothers keeper, coalesce, etc...basically hardcore/metalcore music. So,
am I a card carrying headbanger..no..do i like/appreciate metal? hell yeah.
To close, i'd like to add that,yeah, I do have a bias in this column and
i will TRY to avoid such things in the future...well, except next month,
that's gonna be another bias column. BUT, the way i look at it is the whole
damn thing boils down to copyrights. and, the way i see it, napster is
a music provider JUST as much as radio. So, i think they should have to
pay their BMI/ASCAP fees just the same as my college radio station and
the 'real' radio station i work for. if this were the case, then everything
with napster would just be ducky and no one could bytch 'cause they'd be
gettin a few extra bucks on the royalty check at the end of the month.
But, then again, this is just my opinion i'm sure a lot of you will disagree..and
that's fine. That's the basis (in my mind) of this column..essentially
a free exchange of ideas and thoughts on topics...
Zer0
you know... i'd never call
myself a "die hard" fan of any band, genre, or artist (with the exception
of maybe Soundgarden)... and i wouldn't say i'm a "big fan" of Metallica...
the three albums i like best are ...And Justice For All, Load, and Reload...
in that order... i havn't heard all of their stuff... don't really care
to... but what i have heard (well most of it..) i liked... but the one
thing i don't understand is... how could this be stealing?... what are
they taking?... a crappy sounding, condensed copy of a song... that ANYONE
can get on CD ANYWHERE... (well.. after it's released)... i could see how
it could be considered stolen if some guy copied something like... say,
a SONG.. and then replayed all the instruments himself... and rerecorded
the whole thing and then put his name on it... and then tried to market
it as his own... THAT would be stealing.... now, as far as the copyright
thing... there are two ways to copyright music... 1) copyright performances
of music... and 2) copyright recordings of music so technically... if a
band has a song copyrighted for performance.. it would technically be illegal
for someone like a small, unsigned band to cover it... and it would be
just as illegal for them to record it for something like a demo... (since
that IS a recording.. and ALL bands/artists have their recordings copyrighted...)...
so how is Napster any different than some small, unsigned band... playing
say Enter Sandman at a public performance without Metallica's consent?...
just a little question... (this one's sure to get some flames calling me
stupid.. but hey, i never said i was a copyright attorney... ) -0
LoKi Omega
I agree with some of this.
Although I like neither Metallica or Fred Durst, I do agree that suing
Napster will not eliminate MP3 pirating. I mean, god, why not use it to
your advantage? release singles or something on Napster to promote CD's.
In fact, CD sales have been increasing since Napster use. I think you have
a bit of bias here but that is to be expected from a "Metallica fan".
bob
metallica doesnt realize
that they will stay in business as long as there is a demand for their
music, no matter what. do they really think that some computer nerd is
going to say 'oh, metallica are playing in town tonight, but I'd rather
just sit here and listen to their music on my pc rather than see a live
show' I mean get real here
Stormrider
Also... I'd like to comment
that not all musicians agree with Metallica's (Ca$htallica) actions. I'd
love to have my stuff up on Napster... any exposure is good exposure, no
matter what. The difference between the Metallica of old and this new...
'band' is that back in the 80s, if a fan came up to James and said 'hey,
your new song Fight Fire With Fire ass!! I got it from a friend of mine!'
James would have been like 'f*ckin' cool, man!'. These days, it's 'Hey,
I heard your new song 'I Disappear' and I think it kicks ass! I got it
from Napster!' the response would be 'Well, you're a f*cking theif, you
shouldn't be listening to my music for free'. But hey, that's what money
does to ya... basically, artists make whatever they create to 1) get satisfaction
that they created it and nothing else or 2) Get enjoyment out of sharing
it with others so they can appretiate it. Art has nothing to do with business.
Metallica aren't artists, they're businessmen, trying to secure their profits.
From my standpoint as an artist, the only reason I wouldnt want someone
to copy my art was because they could SELL IT IN THEIR OWN NAME. And obviously,
everyone knows who Metallica are, and knows their songs... so I don't think
they have to worry about that.
Stormrider
Hahaha... 'True Metallica
Fan' huh? I stopped reading when I got to this line. That simply spells
out sheep in any metal head's book. You see, there's a difference between
an angry teenager who just listens to metal because he's mad at the world,
and a person who loves metal because it's in his blood... a True metal
fan. None of these 'True Metallica Fans' were metal fans to begin with.
They just needed something to get them through adolecence. You may be proud
to be a 'true fan' of one single BAND, but you were/are a completely false
fan of the ENTIRE genre of metal. Whimps and posers, LEAVE THE HALL
Crdeath27
He he, I think dimmaen just
proved your point, Dr Fever. Eagles is right, people have been saying Metallica
sold out since ride the lightening. And every album since then. With every
album they have changed their style a little. Yeah, there was a big change
between the black album and load...but there was also a 5 year period between
them where the band members did their own thing and grew as people...and
since Metallica makes music they feel like, that's why there was such a
change.
Dr Fever
i almost feel honored that
i got a disclaimer......
Eagles
Thank you Dr. Fever for
another great enlightening column. Now some comments for dimmaen, it doesn't
make sense to say how Napster is bringing up business for musicians(if
you can call N sync that) and then say Metallica is doing it for the money.
Because if its bringing up business they would obviously have the information
on that (and yes Napster cd sales are definitely on a rise whether because
of or in spite of Napster) and they wouldn't be attacking Napster for the
money. They would be doing it for the obvious reason that its common thievery.
As Lars has said its penny change what they are losing (if they are losing
anything from it). The band just disagrees with it in principle and the
fact that people can go and get anyone of their songs for free without
doing anything. They get the entertainment, they should pay for it. Maybe
things aren't like that in the Communist paradise you people envision but
this is America and you don't get something for nothing here. Of course
you people are mad because of this because they caught you on your attempts
at stealing and they are going to prevent it now when they win this case.
Then to protect the reason that you're really mad (they caught you stealing
and are going to stop your from continuing to do it) you say that Metallica
sold out and the same old traditional bs claims everyone always makes against
Metallica to try and scare them away from continuing with the accusations.
You know this Metallica sold out stuff is really a complete joke because
they've been hearing that since they released Ride the Lightning(their
second album) and became the top band on the underground scene. Just because
they got "big"(not really though) and starting making money they sold out?
No thats bull because Ride the Lightning was as hard as Kill Em All was,
and definitely a much better album anyways. Anyways I'm done, and Metallica
is and always will be the greatest band of all-time.
dimmaen
Well, I don't consider myself
as fan, but still I think Metallica is a great band. But does that make
me untiteled to speak out what ever I want to say? NO! I mean Metallica
can do whatever they want to do, but if they're such a good band, they
shouldn't be to affected by Napster. N'sync had their record on Napster
two weeks before it was released. They didn't care and still they sold
a great number of copies. Metallica is doing this because of the money.
But if they're doing this, and a lot of people don't buy their next CD
because of this, then the've lost money. Then what's the point?
BadHabit
I guess I was never a fan,
then. All I know is that all the time before the Napster incident, everyone
was all Metallica sucks, they're sell outs and shyt like that and I was
standing up and saying tell me when they sold out and defending them, and
then they turn around and kick me outta Napster, for having a bootleg of
thiers with Ted Nugent on my computer, and after all the time of sticking
up for them, it felt like a slap in the face. I know they are defending
they're rights and stuff, and I am sure all the other musicians admire
them for what they are doing, but I just can't help being embarrassed.
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