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Dr. Fever

ShroomDevil
Uh... hey. Yeah... I'm listening to music right now. I'm not going to stand up and defend it, or defend the artist. I don't think music was ever meant to be so image-oriented. It shouldn't be like this. Picking your music should be an unconscious choice. It shouldn't be like, "Oh, I like this music. But I probably shouldn't listen to it." This is how we separate mindless drones from real people. Nobody has any right at all to say that anyone else's music isn't good enough to be listened to... but yeah, I agree with Ferver on the whole MTV thing. MTV really ruins music. The actual song is in the background, image in the foreground, T&A sugar coating it, and makeup masks it. I don't understand why N'Sync is listened to. Especially by women. Since when did musicians go to boot camps to learn how to be famous. I thought you went to music school and learned music. I don't know... I don't want to force my opinions on anyone, so I'm not going to go any deeper. Just the fact that there is so much arguing and hatred here in this discussion destroys the tradition of music. Music is an expression... by people. Not celebrity centerfolds. It's not made with the intent of people liking it. It's art. So that's why no one has any right to criticize artists' music. ... hm... I'm contradicting myself I think. I might be. I dont know. I had a better message before, but some censorship deal told me to go back and I had to start over. ... yeah I'm gonna stop. Sorry. -derek59@excite.com

Gonzo X
I agree that grunge was the great turning point in rock. Singer cared less in how they look as how well they played. The Seattle sound was the same and yet different for every band. Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, STP, and Nirvana all had a little thing called TALENT. Yes, It takes talent to bring out an original song, unlike that recycled Backstreet Boys BS they play now. God, give some Buckcherry or Gravity Kills over this new shit anyday. I hope the Marilyn Manson CD put teenyboppers in their place this fall. Sorry to ramble on, I just had to get this crap off my chest.

SubXavier
Go look at my comment for the Metallica/Napster thing, because it could obviously apply here. I like grunge ('cept Pearl Jam... sorry, can't stand Vedder's voice), KoRn, Nine Inch Nails, A Perfect Circle, Christina Aguilera, Eminem, The Wallflowers, System of a Down, The Vandals, and Fiona Apple... ALL at the same TIME! Imagine... I must be 500 people rolled into one. Listen to what you like to listen to... which is what I should be doing instead of typing this out. *sigh*

The Great Milenko
F*CK MTV.

dr fever
well bob, i've been off the crack for about 2 years...so, sorry, i'm not a "damn stupid crackhead" as you stated..but thanx for your concern.

Bob
Shut up you damn stupid crackhead!

dr fever
wow...i seem to have stired up one hell of a shyt storm.

brian
i hear ya i totally agree

gryph
MTV- do I watch MTV? no, I do not. I do not care to either. yes, sometimes late at night, there's the ocassional good video. I don't think bashing N' Sync with stupid names does anything other than lower your apparent intellect, though I can't say that if you viced a pair of headphones to my head and started playing... "Bye, Bye, Bye", I wouldn't shoot you first, and then myself. their music annoys the hell out of me. it's empty, meaningless and pointless. that's my problem with most of the really popular bands today. Korn is pretty much just turning out more angsty 'my life sucks' music so they'll remain popular, and as for Limp Bizkit... would someone just kill Fred Durst already? PLEASE? he's an a$$hole. sad, but true. and most of their music is just catering to the audience. you can't feel all proud of yourself because you listen to music that ISN'T played on MTV. that's... pathetic. I mean, honestly. it's just lame. when you listen to something because it's not played on MTV, or because it IS played on MTV, there isn't any difference. what ever happened to listening to music for the music? why must there always be this pathetic "scene" that goes along with everything? music is music. some sucks, some is damn good. and if you're so determined NOT to be one of the sheep, imbrace your individuality, whether liking a song or band that JUST HAPPENS to appear on MTV is a part of that or not. personally, I think there's very little music today that can compare with that of... Pink Floyd, David Bowie, Stones, early Cure, et cettera. music has alot less life than it used to. and yes, I would rather listen to Queen than Korn. because that music was alive. it wasn't just about a scene, or an audience, it was about MUSIC. and making beautiful sounds, and creativity. Trent Reznor, Daniel Johns, and a few others carry over the reality of music for music's sake, not an audience or scene. music is an expression, a way to share yourself with the world, give other people something to identify with. and I think concepts of songs such as "oh, my girlfriend f*cked another guy, I shot her and the I died..." or something like that, along with the illustrious thong song that always makes me want to... kill stuff, are stupid and pointless and go against the whole idea of music in the first place! this doesn't always go along with a style of music, however, or the popularity of a band. Hanson, for instance. Hanson blew up MTV, and had millions of teeny-boppers across the world going crazy, and at the same time a few pre-pubescent teenagers were able to write the lyrics: "you're on the verge of going crazy and your hearts in pain, no one can hear, though your screaming so loud, you're all alone, in a faceless crowd". and now on their new album, after they've lost all popularity, and MTV will hardly touch them they turn out the lyrics in their release "this time around" (which I heard on *gasp* MTV!): "Put on these chains and you can live a free life, well I'd rather bleed just to know why I died." will they be appreciated now that MTV's dropped them and teeny's got bored? no, probably not. why? because MTV exploited them to the point where they were part of the "scene" and because their appearances appealed to a group of girls under the age of 13. I hate MTV because MTV is all about brainwashing, labling what's cool, stereotypes and exploitation. besides. they NEVER play NiN.

Butane phyre
I'm so f*cking sick of these faggot assed koRn and Limp Bizkit fans who say they liked the bands before they were on Empty-V. Those bands have always sucked, and will always continue to suck, period. I understand that sh*t about someone jumping up and saying "oh, I love that song!" but f*ck that. If you find yourself in that situation, then you're the d*ckhead for playing your music aloud. Those people are (dare I say it?) the teeny boppers. Take my g/f and Creed. She loves that f*cking song 'Higher' yet she couldn't care less about the band. She asked everyone she knew if they had that creed cd (coz she wanted a copy of the song for herself) and luckily one teeny boppin' chick had it. Heh.. I hate it when great bands like Stabbing Westward have a hit song and attract a sh*tload of these idiots. Hit songs suck! Well, I think this is enough drivel for now. Adios.

Zer0
oh... i'm sorry... did i say "scene"?.. i meant all the bands in that particular geographical area... is that better? jesus fukkinin christ i can't say a gawd damn thing on this list without getting picked apart i have no idea how you could be what? 23-24 years old Eagles?.. cuz i'm 23 myself... and i don't have half the "i'm better than you and my sh*t doesn't stink" attitude that you have.. you sound like a total pr*ck... you sound more like a baby boomer that some guy in his early 20s.. (and no... don't take that as a compliment it's not meant as one...) i liked the "grunge scene" because i related to it.. the musicians (yes they are musicians even though self righteous a$$holes like you can't appreciate it) seemed more like human beings to me than anyone else EVER in music history... they weren't these tongue-flicking, streach-pants wearing pu$$y bullsh*t bands like the late 70's and all through the 80's... and they weren't these suck a$$ "show off" bands like Dream Theatre and all their kin... they were human beings with hearts and minds and problems that people could relate to... yeah.. some of them made up lyrics that didn't make sense (when you first heard them)... but so what?... at least it wasn't somethin like Rock and Roll All Night or some sh*t like that... because personally, i think that anyone who's ever been in Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, AIC, or ANY of the Northwestern US bands have more talent than anyone in that band...(KISS i mean (even though a lot of those bands are fans of KISS.. ))... besides, what the hell do you know about music? you're a Billy Joel fan... also, show me one lyric from one song by one band in which they were "complaining" cuz i don't see where that comes from... later.. (i want you all to know that i censored this just because i HAD to.. otherwise it wouldn't have been posted... which, that in itself is total sh*t)... -0

MasterOfPuppetz
WOW, its been awhile since i was on here, these arguments have gotten out of hand

LoKi Omega
Stop arguing people. Get back to your lives. Listen to your own music. (LoKi Omega the Self-Proclaimed Genius)

420 guy
Carson Daly is a big fat p*ssy. i could kick that crackas a$$ in a second. D*mn crazy fool.

Eagles
First of all Zero, nothings wrong with obscure bands. And how can you be saying the genre never existed except in the media's eyes when you yourself said "research a scene before you comment on it". Well apparently you are grouping all these bands into one "scene" or "category" so don't get all mad at me. My reading comprehesion skills don't have to change, its the way you write that's wacky and self-contradictory.

Phalanx
I remember when my friend and I were the only guys in the entire town that listened to Limp Bizkit. That was before MTV got their f*cking hands on them. It seemed like everywhere we went, some ass was playing "Faith" in his car. Whenever we brought up Limp Bizkit we'd hear "Oh! I love 'Faith!'" And what really pisses me off is that it's all of those damned loud-mouth teenybooper lovers. It's like they think that they can relate to the music or something. They just move with the crowd. I never listen to "Faith" anymore; or "Nookie." While we're on that subject, I hate KoRn too. I used to love their music (debut and Life is Peachy) but then they sold out. Even they said, during the MTV Music Awards, that they had such a hard time getting noticed until "Follow the Leader" came out. That's when they made a video for "Got the Life" and aired it on MTV. That royally pissed me off. I can't even say that I listen to KoRn without hearing "Freak on a Leash" or even "Falling Away (From Me)" in that same conversation. As for the teenyboppers... they can all burn in hell.

Zer0
what's wrong with obscure bands?.. and by the way... they all don't fit the genre..(because that genre never existed.. except in the media's eyes because they created it.. not the bands) that was my point... you don't seem to have any reading comprehension skills.. because you didn't seem to catch the jist of what i was trying to say... -0

BadHabit
Put down the pipe I think you've had a lil too much, and you're getting spit on the monitor.

Eagles
No thank you for your link. I already explained I don't like grunge and I was basing it around Nirvana because thats what you were basing alot of your argument's around, often bringing them up as your example because they are the cliche grunge band that everyone knows about. As for all those bands you've listed of course I haven't heard of them, why would I spend time searching for somewhat obscure bands when from the frontrunners from the genre I can already see I don't really like the style.

dr fever
wow..this many arguments on grunge maybe i should write a column on that...that'll be july...but the june column will be about metallica, it's coming shorlty. In the meantime, let's all the listen to A Perfect Circle and be happy. Thank you and goodbye.

Zer0
Eagles, that's a pretty long argument for someone who doesn't want to argue... the fact that you base the whole "grunge sound" on one band is ludicrous.. Nirvana wasn't the only band in that genre of music even though they are accredited for starting the whole media created "grunge" hype... there were many, many, other groups that were lumped into that catagory that i'm sure don't even fit that label... and probably a lot that you've never even heard of... like 600 School, TAD, Satchel, Brad, Green River, Mudhoney, Screaming Trees, Minus 5, Fastbacks, Gruntruck, Melvins.. the list goes on and on... you need to research a scene before you comment on it... go to http://members.tripod.com/cycletheory and learn something -0

DUDD
IT'S FUNNY HOW A LOT OF YOU GUYS ARE AGAINST COMPLAINT ROCK. WAKE UP!!! YOU ARE COMPLAINING. IF YOU LIKE NIRVANA, GO LISTEN TO THEM. YOU LIKE AC/DC, GO LISTEN THEM. METALLICA,BILLY JOEL, GUNS N ROSES, WHATEVER. JUST GO DO YOUR OWN THING. WHO CARES WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK. WHATEVER TYPE OF MUSIC YOU LIKE, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOMEONE WHO HATES IT, AND THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOMEONE WHO LIKES IT. IF YOU WERE A REAL FAN WHATEVER TYPE OF MUSIC YOU LIKE, YOU WOULDN'T BE COMPLAINING, YOU WOULD BE LISTENING TO IT, NOT CARING WHAT OTHERS THOUGHT. BE REAL, DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. F*CK EVERYONE ELSE. PEACE!

Man
LISTEN UP JACK@$$ES! WE ARE ALL ENTITLED TO OUR OPINIONS. WHO ARE WE TO JUDGE WHO SUCKS AND WHO ROCKS. WE CAN'T. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE! NOBODY'S RIGHT. NOBODY'S WRONG. WE ALL HAVE TO JUST REALIZE THAT PEOPLE LIKE WHO THEY LIKE. WHETHER ITS OVER THE TOP GLAM, WHINY GRUNGE, NON-MELODIC NOISY METAL, OR PLAIN BORING ROCK/CRAP, EXCUSE ME, THATS ROCK/RAP, WE ALL HAVE TO LEARN TO GET ALONG. WE MUST JOIN FORCES TO ABOLISH THIS MONSTROSITY THAT WAS ONCE MTV!!!

Eagles
God forbid someones opinion on music differs from your own Master of Puppetz. I just don't like Kurt I've given millions of reasons why I don't like him but I guess since its not the same thing you think that my opinion is "ignorant". Like you said about Ac/Dc, I have nothing personally against Kurt, I just think his music's lame. Although he did whine alot. And please don't relate me to glam rock in any way. I was no big fan of the 80's although it had some bright spots. I'm pretty sure I've said before that I liked the 70's the most. But as for your grunge comments I won't deny that in many ways you could relate to these people and that they did have good lyrics, which is part of the way to making a good song but you still definitely need the good instrumental work otherwise your just reading poetry. And finally one more arguement with Zero and this is where I can see why we have these differences. As you just said you only want complexity if its to move the lyrics along. See I disagree completely here, because of the fact that music itself can evoke emotions (without lyrics I'm saying) and in my opinion how you play your instruments can do much better at getting across your emotions then a few rhyming sentences(or maybe not rhyming). I know lyrics have their part but I think that music could have heart and soul without even having lyrics, just music by itself and I think it can do a much better job of it too by itself which is the whole point of technically complexity. I like bands who are very proficient in playing their instruments because then you can get the most powerful emotions and deepest feelings into your music and from it if you can play well and put together very emotion(whatever type of emotions they may be) packed riffs and melodies. In the case of Nirvana they go to the opposite philosophy by just having a really simple melody (which isn't neccesarily bad) to the lyrics which are supposed to do most of the job by themselves in evoking the strong emotions. Well I think the music itself can make you get to those emotions and make you feel more then words can although I won't deny the words are needed. And for that reason you should have solos and so on and just have some musical parts without lyrics in your songs. Although the ultimate are bands that can mix great lyrics and great proficiency in their music and an ability to conjure strong emotions just from the musical side of things, while going along with the great lyrics. I always liked Billy Joel because I thoguht he had both of those to a good extent. Now really though I don't want to do much more arguing because we are both going to like the stuff we like right now no matter all the arguements we keep coming up with against each other, we just like different things for different reasons. But I do want to say that another thing to signify a good band would be versatility in the emotions your trying to bring forth. If all your songs are about partying and good times(80's rock) or they are all about how terrible your life is(grunge rock) then your band is not very diverse and is really stuck on one kind of song. That is not a great lyricist or songwriter who can only cater to one emotion he or she has.

Venus Flytrap
Yo Fever you rock man! keep it fresh brother from another muther

BadHabit
Heheh I guess you are here the same time as me:) You beat me with the second entry

BadHabit
Guess what mazter? I am 33...older than he is.

MasterOfPuppetz
oops, eagles is 24. replace old with ignorant

MazterOfPuppetz
Kurt Kicked Ass, Its just old people who are scared of new music (eagles) who cant accept that

BadHabit
I remember Kurt boasting, in an interview once, "we would jam til our guitars were outta tune, and then keep playing without stopping" that is major cool shit to take out your aggressions on your instruments like that I don't care what anyone says.

MasterOfPuppetz
when i said 80s rock sucked, there are a few exceptions,Metallica and Ozzy, everything else generally sucked, i have nothing persenally against ACDC, I just think there musics lame

MasterOfPuppetz
Eagles? What do you have against grunge? The seattle bands were the best thing to happen to music in years. hmm, lets see, What was rock before the grunge movement? GLAM ROCK?! are you trying to say that was better than grunge?A bunch of Morons in Drag talking about banging chicks in all there songs. At least you could relate to bands like Nirvana, Pearl Jam, and Alice in Chains. These groups could all play solos to, how is it you think that that shouldnt even be considered music??

happy little sadist
you couldn't be more right dude. i used to listen to korn a lot, i bought, well no, i borrowed the first two cds and i love almost every song off both, but then follow the leader *ironic title* came out and it just went down hill from there. mtv ruins stuff. it almost makes me happy nirvana split before 95. they wouldn't have succumed to the likes of mtv, but they'd be way overshadowed by the crap of today. long live nirvana :) may the spork be with you Caryn

BadHabit
That's exactly what I am tryin to say, zero:)

MORTISHA
Some one else feel's that Mtv sucks!Its 24/7 of bubble gum. I want metal and some of the good stuff back on.Take off the little girl and little boy groups give me Metal

Zer0
well badhabit... your close.. i just turned 23... but yeah.. i get the older stuff too... Neil Young, Sabbath, hell, even sh!t from the 50's and 60's.. (Gotta love Motown tunes!)... but i just don't understand undying devotion to technical complexity over a song actually having some heart and soul.. and meaning something... i mean hell... a lot of songs i like... i like cuz they make me sad as hell... and some i like cuz they make me wanna ram my head through a wall.. and there are others in between... and i have nothing against putting technique in song BUT ONLY TO HELP THE SONG MOVE ALONG AND TO SUPPORT THE LYRICS.. the vocal and the lyrics are the most important part to me... the rest is just accompanyment.. but then again, that's just my opinion... laterz... -0 p.s. Dr. Fever... damn str8 man!! "My name is Enago Montoya!"

Mazter0fPuppetz
I agree with you mostly about the crap that is mtv. the only thing i dont like is the fact that you think that any band that becomes radio or mtv friendly is bad. KoRn didnt change to become popular, they just became popular, nothin wrong with that. KoRn sold out when they posed for ATommy Hilfigure(GAY!)thats what selling out is

Dr Fever
playloud...i don't know for sure...all I know was I was drunk that night,everything else is a blur....

playloud
When the hell did you get your own section on here Dr. Fever?!!?

GREEN MUSE
SOME BANDS CAN GO ON MTV AND NOT SELL OUT ,RANCID WOULD BE ONE OF EM.THERE MUSIC STILL IS GREAT.JUST AS GOOD AS THE OLD OP IVY DAYS.BUT I THINK MTV PLAYED ABOUT 3 RANCID VIDEOS,AND THOSE WERE AT 3:42 IN THE MORN SO NO ONE SAW THEM.I SHOULD STOP MY RAMBLING,TOO MUCH OF THE GREEN FAIRY.LATER

Dr Fever
just to add my own two cents..i like a lot of grunge bands...esp. nirvana (sorry, i'm sure some of you will have brilliant things to say bout that)...but, the main reason i mention this is to make another point..i am not so set in MY ways that i'll ignore good music...i don't care if it's pink floyd...or metallica..or nirvana..or, hell, even a band like snapcase....if it rocks..it rocks. I don't get so emotionally attached that i start breaking down each individual note and lyric(but, it has happened once or twice.)...hell, the way i look at it, if music means something to YOU then that's all that matters...who cares what other people think...so, if Kiss means something to you, cool..who cares if someone else thinks they're crap..if Floyd, or Soundgarden, or Nirvana or (i can't belive i'm saying this) Motley Crue means something to you (emotional or otherwise) then GREAT, who cares what other people think....just keep liking bands for your own reasons, don't like bands or dislike bands because your friends or some schmo likes/dislikes them...think for yourselves, and don't give a flying fukkkkk what others think of YOUR music..cuz, it's just that, yours!

BadHabit
Sorry to insult you, but you talk like my husband, he hates the new stuff I love,and when I put on Kiss, he is all oo this is CLASSIC hahha *Classic shit*

Eagles
No I'm much younger than that Bad Habit try like 24. But grunge and alternative music really turned me off to rock for most of my life(at which point I listened to rap, yes I was an idiot back then). Finally though I got to get alot of exposure to AC/DC and other classic rock bands. But I really do hate grunge and always have, it shouldn't be considered rock.

BadHabit
I am guessing that Eagles is about 35, cuz he is so set in his ways? and Zero? are you about ....21? cuz you don't get the older stuff?

Dr Fever
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You people make me laugh!!! my god, when did my rant or rave section become a battlefield?? this is so d@Mn funny!!! and, zero, you feel free to keep saying whatever you want...you know I got ya back!! as for the rest of you, please, keep on posting...this is the funniest sh!t i've ever read!

BadHabit
Pink Floyd is the best and always will be...and NOBODY CAN COMPARE especially not Metallica...but ummm actually Floyd IS alot about "my life sucks" only in extremely intelligent lyrics. Everytime I listen to Floyd I hear something I didn't even realize was there, it is so freakin awesome...but just cuz they are the best, doesn't mean that's all people have to listen to....

Eagles
Yeah ok no one's denying floyd was great drug music but they definitely had alot of deep lyrics, deeper than any of the superficial "my life is so terrible" lyrics of grunge bands. And as for the lyrics of Metallica meaning nothing, well lets see the whole subject of the Master of Puppets album was about control, abuse of power, and corruption. The album And Justice for all was all about greed and how money corrupts (ironic isn't it?). Anyways as for Sepultra, they are pathetic and couldn't have even existed without bands like Metallica paving the way for them in the 80's.

Zer0
D00d, all Floyd is about is droppin acid and getting wasted.. and you expect me to believe that "Wecome Home Sanitarium," "Four Horsemen," or "Nothing Else Matters" meant something?.. hardly.. they just throw words in that sound like they make sense and have no meaning whatsoever.. .just something to fill the song out so that they actually HAVE lyrics.. i'm not saying that i don't like Metallica.. or that i don't like metal in general... (although Sepultura is waay better).. but to me.. and hundreds of thousands of ppl, technique isn't everything.. and all the technique in the world won't save you if you don't mean what you write about.. or believe in what you say... and if Cliff was around.. he definately wouldn't have let all this bullsh*t go on at all.. he was the only one in the whole band who actually played for the love of playing itself.. not for the love of the green.. and Lars "umpa beat" Ulrich being one of the most money hungry and least intelligent individuals in music today is what's really sad.. but then again Eagles, what do you know.. you can't even spell rhythm.. -0

BadHabit
P.S. Eagles I like you alot you have great taste but haha as far as taking out adrenaline lol have you ever SEEN a KoRn concert???? Hhahaha it is so pumped....nothing BUT adrenaline:)

BadHabit
I don't see KoRn as whining, but rather lashing out at the people who made Jon's life hell....It contains a lot of anger and accusations....and emotion...the stuff you talk about, while it is awesome, it has no true honest emotion, and that is the reason grunge and KoRn and NIN is so awesome to me....I can relate to Jon in his lyrics, especially the first album.I am not saying it is for everyone, cause music is in the ear of the beholder...and quite honestly at first I didn't like KoRn, but that was because I didn't understand it...

Eagles
This is for Zero or jack@$$ as I'd prefer to call you, 1-did I ever say that every song needed a solo, no but god forbid that I ask for bands to display some amount of musical ability above that of just putting together and playing a simple rhythymn through the whole song. And I do think bands should have some amount of complexity because otherwise their songs can get really old fast after a few listens, just a tweeking of the riff a few times through the song is enough(although not much). And anyways I do listen to Prog-metal and prog-rock and yeah even Jazz sometimes but this music can get too deep and self indulgent and because of length drag on in some cases, when I'm just in a rock out mood I want to listen to something more simplistic something like Rolling Stones or AC/DC, but still bands like LB, KoRN, and the whole grunge band movement take simplicity too far with every song seemingly a rehash of an old one and a style that rarely evolves and if it does its only to get even more simplistic. On top of that they take all the adrenaline out of rock with whiny lyrics and constant complaining(in the case of grunge and KoRN). As for saying bands with complexity have no heart, and then mentioning LB and KoRN as if they do, well its just a complete joke. Pink Floyd and Metallica had more heart, intelligent lyrics, and so on then LB or KoRN. KoRN is just the lead guy whining about how his life sucks, LB is typical bs rap lyrics about really not much of anything. Compare that to Pink Floyd, songs that were about the meaning of life, and all that. It far surpasses any heart LB has. On a final note I'm not saying there's something wrong with following a certain melody and rhythymn throughout your song but changing it and tweeking it throughout the song only adds interest to it and makes for better build up to the presumable climax most good bands build to in every song. And finally your comments on Pearl Jam, I never bashed Pearl Jam and I never will bash them because they are one of the few bands I liked from the 90's, as for them being progressive rock its stretch but they're far above the trash grunge puts out. Schools out now zero.

[BR]Gordy
yeah MTV sucks ass bigtime but does this mean all bands on MTV or crap to? well, mostly yeah, but Bad Religion proves all of you wrong. Since they are still loyal to their roots and will continue to do so, MTV or no MTV. And The Offspring's smash album Smash rocks to, afterall when they made it they were still just another underground punk band. But than it all got really big for them. And Green Day rocks to, and AC/DC to. But the best music will never be played on MTV I guess

BadHabit
Eagles, I also wanted to add that in actuallity, the stuff being put out now, like from NIN and KoRn is better than alot of stuff before it...the lyrics were terrible in the late 70s through the 80s for 85% of the music...at least there is some meaning behind more of the music now...

BadHabit
Eagles I agree with you to a certain extent I'm kinda bad with words so I will try and explain this the best I can. With any band that kicks, it has a f.uck you attitude..kinda like I like it and if you do fine, if you don't well then F.UCK YOU! It's for themselves, really and if other people like it, thats just peachy. One band I can say was like that, through out was Pink Floyd.Do any of you think that they were EVER about money heck no! Music was there soul...they're pure enjoyment...what music needs to be about again...and if musicians were honest, they wouldn't let fame be there goal...that's there downfall...do what you love to hell with how many people know you...cuz like they say here today gone today so one day you kick a.ss the next, you are a sell out..do it cuz you love it to heck with MTV and record sales.... Trust me if you truly kick, you will sell out every club and you WILL be known without those freakin money grabbing pices of s.hit in the *business*

Zer0
boy my name's poppin up everywhere on this site isn't it? anyway.. i know Dr. Fever personally.. and i have a lot of respect for what he has to say.. but enough of that.. what i wanna know is why the hell do some people think that EVERY song has to have a solo or some form of "complexity"? if you want that crap.. listen to Prog-metal or Prog-rock or Jazz or somethin.. stay away from rock music... and another thing.. to me, music is not about how many notes you can fit into a 4-6 minute time frame (maybe more).. and "Eagles" you say that Korn and LB's music is lemme see if i quote you right, "it was always sucky, repitive, simplistic to the highest degree no complexity in their riffs or the forms the songs were written in at all." just because you like songs that are complex and in my opinion meaningless drivel with no heart... doesn't mean that Korn and LB sucks.. they have fans... and i like a little bit of Korn myself but not really much LB... but stop me if i'm wrong here but repetition is a GOOD thing in music right? you have to have some sort of Rhythm to put lyrics to don't you? you can't just sling a bunch of random notes together and call it music.. you HAVE to have some sort of regular pattern (a melody or rhythm if you've ever heard of such a thing) and also a 'hook' that draws people in... i personally enjoy the music of the early nineties (you know when the North Western music explosion... lumped into one catagory no matter what they sounded like.. which was of course "grunge") and i think THAT was rocks high point if you will.. when musicians were human beings that you could relate to...instead of some untouchable icon that you or anyone you know will never be...they had heart.. and they knew/know what they're doing when they write music.. (and by the way.. if you visit www.bandreg.com and look up "pearl jam" they are listed as a "progressive rock band" by their promoters..betcha never knew that did you?) anyway.. that's the end of my shpeil.. bring on the flames :).. later... -0

by my name
Mtv plays videos?

History
Where did this music industry even come from. They claim to deserve so much money for their work. I am quite sure that if you were performing live for the King a couple hundred years ago, and he did not like your music, it would simply be "Off with your head!"

dr fever
actually, i don't see myself as "like those mtv people I put down" for one simple fact...I listen to a LOT of music that you'll never see on MTV.

Melly Medic
all i have to say is that mtv made my mother like the thong song...and that, my friends, is humanly wrong.

Eagles
Jigga just because things change and rock n roll has evolved doesn't mean people have to like and support the crappy transitions it is undergoing. I personally enjoyed rock from the 70's the most and felt it was when rock was at its prime. There were numerous different bands and styles to choose from, things were varied and diverse. The complexity of the songs back then far outshines anything being put out now (Do you see anything today matching the musical genius of Pink Floyd or the awesome interlocking guitar work of Skynyrd. Today bands think they can get away with just playing loud or singing well. Well the music has to be good too, and play some guitar solos for god sakes) And on top of that alot of the bands put out lyrics and songs with messages in them, unlike alot of the meaningless tripe being put out now. One final thing, every band wrote its own songs and synthesizers were rarely used, again unlike today.

Broadcaster
What's MTV? And who would watch it even late at night. (normal people sleep then) The music business sucks and the crap they pander to the public is garbage. Who are those groups you are talking about? No one. Get a life, all of ya.

Jigga
I sorta agree with 'Eagles'. The good 'Dr. Fever' and myself go back a long ways. And I have known his feelings on music as long as I've known him. But the KoRn and LB crap is kinda odd. I mean, someone should like a band for their music. Not because they are or are not on MTV. So yes, Dr. Fever, you are just like the people you hate, in that perspective. NOW! Going on towards the other perspective.....MTV exploits good talent each and everyday. Even though I don't generally like N'Sync.....those guys can sing. I may not like the music, but those guys are busting their butts, just like bands like KoRn and Limp Bizkit. Now to get to Metallica. I am sick to death of people complaining about Metallica selling out. Metallica has been doing the same stuff since day one. And people who say they hate Metallica's newer material are just like these MTV-ites! Metallica has just went on with ROCK EVOLUTION! Rock n Roll has changed in every decade since the beginning. Nothing sounds like Johnny B. Good or Heartbreak Hotel in this time and age of Rock. People just need to listen to something because of it's MUSICAL value........not because someone else likes it or they were more of this or less of this in their last album.

evilmadeflesh
well Dr.Fever we might not always agree on the metallica situation but as for the rant on the top Ifeel you.MucousTV needs to die.

evilmadeflesh
well Dr.Fever we might not always agree on the metallic situation but as for the rant on the top Ifeel you.MucousTV needs to die.

http://gpcm.tripod.com/search.html
you are totally right, dont only talk about it!!! make anti sites for whatever you want and for whatever sucks crap and must be changed !!! it can be done shut up moronic teenybopper dont ever think when you repeat yourself you are right dumbass!!

Michael
Dude I agree with you totally. I loved korn when they first came out but then they started adding the rap crap to their sound and I stop listening. That was also the same time they started showing up on emTyV. I never liked Limp but they went way overboard with the rapping too.

Dr Fever
eagles:point taken.... tennybopper: computer nerd??? funny, real funny......why don't you think of a better (more accurate) insult next time....

Eagles
Dr Fever I enjoy reading your comments but when you say you listened to Limp and KoRN only before MTV played them, well that makes you not much better then the sheep MTV controls. You enjoyed their bands for their rebel underground image, not so much their music. Once they lost that image and became popular you dropped them because people knew them so it was no longer "rebellious" or whatever to listen to them. I find this to be true to alot of metal fans, they claim they love them because they play great music, but then when they lose their underground image and get on MTV, even if their style didn't change much at all, the former fans will start saying they sold out and never listen to them anymore. You can't accuse MTV of being all about image and not the music when you clearly aren't about that yourself. And don't take these comments too harshly Dr. Fever, I still do enjoy much of what you have to say, but the comments regarding Limp Bizkit and KoRN are somewhat hypocritical considering you dropping them because they were no longer rebellious is the same thing as teenyboppers buying a cd because of a cute guy on the cover or because a rapper has the tough gangsta image. And you can't say you dropped Korn and Limp because they're musical style changed, it was always sucky, repitive, simplistic to the highest degree no complexity in their riffs or the forms the songs were written in at all. And they could have possibly made up for alot of this if they at least had decent guitarists who could play solos, alas they couldn't even get that.

TEENYBOPPER
Oh, I get it; you mean "N' Sync." That's pretty creative!

TEENYBOPPER
I won't be growing pubes for another year most likely. By then, you will be whining about something else! I don't want to grow up anyways, then I wouldn't be able to take pictures of myself and send them to pedophile computer nerds such as yourself. By the way, I haven't heard of "N' Suck."

Dr Fever
tennybopper....wait till you grow some pubes before you try and even and read my column...it's beyond your comprehension...so, go back to listening to your new n suck shyt and wait...when you've grown up and figured out life, then, you can come back and share your opinion...hahahahahahahaha!!

TEENYBOPPER
DR. FEVER is wrong and so are you! poop.

antiGUY
The Dr. has arrived. Can't wait to see the first teenybopper start argueing with Dr. Fever here. aG

The Freak
Right on Dude! It's cool to have you here at antiMUSIC!