Marilyn
Manson - The Golden Age of Grotesque
The Hobo Review
Marilyn
Manson - The Golden Age of Grotesque
Label: Nothing/Universal
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Posted by Goth Girl:
Marilyn Manson is a smart, overly put down artist he is oftenly put down because of what he thinks and dose .And that is what I think!!!
Posted by Goth Girl:
I just think Marilyn Manson Is soooo Hot!!!
Posted by gothic manson obbsesser:
i love manson/bryan he is awsome and just for the record bryan is not a priest for a satanist church i did alot of reserch but all you satanist can still like him bryan is anti-christ and anyone who dosent like him should turn themselves in to a nut house
Posted by TheDeadSvperstar:
i think the writer of this review needs to get his/her facts straight and LEARN a little before trying to make an opinion. firstly, there has been some major changes for the band since manson's 2000 release - like the bassist leaving. twiggy was a huge part of the band and now that he has gone, there was obviously going to be some changes. tim skold was in KMFDM for awhile so isnt gonna be a little F*C*IN obvious that mansons band is going to get a heavier industrial side to them? and what the hell do you mean he is being repetitive? listen to any god damn rap song for 30 seconds and you will have the gist of the song. contakt me at dead_svperstar@hotmail.com to start a revolution...
Posted by HeyYou:
Anyone who is a true fan of Marylin Manson. I am interested in your opinion. Email me at LedZeplinOzzy@aol.com Rock on
Posted by HeyYou:
You mother fu(kin peace of sh!t Marylin Manson is the best. he will allways be the best in fact I bet you dont even respect him! Look up to him he knows more than you ever will b!t(h.
Posted by HeyYou:
Marylin Mansons new Cd the Golden Age of Grotesque left me in awe. Ihave been a Marylin Manson fan for years now & this blew me away! I as did other Marylin Manson lovers I know personally thoght that this was an excelent CD. True the lyrics arent as dark as I would like them to be but no one can deny me the fact that the beet is uncanny and has Marylin Manson written all over it. Have people even seen some of these videos to his new music type of music it is amazing and they bley everyone away in fact being the satinist that I am I dont think you know what you are talking about!
Posted by drtyblndchik:
i love mariyln manson he is so sexy! im his biggest fan! he rocks
Posted by manson/freak:
marilyn namson is awesome "this is the new sh!t " is a bada$$ song he rocks on for ever!!!
Posted by Mara:
Oh, yeah, and John 5'll be missed... I just hope his solo album's good. And to ''Away'' I don't see it written anywhere that John's departure is Manson's fault. He just thinks he can do well on his own.
Posted by Mara:
Overall, TGOAG was a great album, not Manson's best, but I loved it anyways. My one problem was that some of the lyrics were getting repetitive, like in ''Bright young things'' but i still like the song. The only track I skip is ''Obsequey''. Manson has a great voice, catchy hooks, and that makes up for repeating himself, and ''Obsequey''. And anyone who doesn't like him, should Just stop listening to him and his music, and get a life. Or make something better, because I don't think any of you know what it's like to be him, or any of the memebers of the band.
Posted by lucy ramirez:
all of manson's albums were cool especially holywood, mechanical animals, antichrist superstar they all painted a very interesting confusing thoughtfull picture as said by manson, however this new album it seems like hi just threw it in for the hell of it. it sucks
Posted by lucy ramirez:
yes I'M A GUY, anyway i agrre with you away tim is a !@$!@%#$&@$&*@%*@( and I wish he would. i have always felt so comfortable with twiggy, his just a cool guy, and an artist, the most interesting person in the band, it's ok if he doesn't come back but, plz let's start a riot to fire tim?! anyway manson plz stop throwing mic stands at poor ginger, and why did you let go of john? not even he knows the answer to that one. regardless i hope tim leaves, sorry tim
Posted by away:
see i totally agree with lucy there, by the way are you a guy? either way twiggy left now john5 i can't believe this, who's next gacy?! c'mon manson what the hell, i can't understand why anyone would want anything to do with tim, his just an *sswhole read some interviews with him like the new on and you will know what i mean!
Posted by lucy ramirez:
hello!. first why do you people always fight? your words aren't going to make others think different or change their minds, i think no offense most of you guys are just waisting your times fighting, you can give each other your opinions and think before you write, that would be much nicer, i'm sorry i'm really stoned. either way just stop the *ucking fighting give your reasons why you like this and that and some other person just give your reason why you don't. just don't yell at each other try to learn from one another, let's all just be at peace and away from the goverment/religion and all it's bull$hit, not lower ourselves to their level and argue with one another over retarded things, accept other is what you guys need to learn. get stoned and you will know what i mean, either way all of you i hope you got something out of this, and have fun peace every one
Posted by manson666:
and as an afterthought, the only reason most of you don't like him is because 1)you don't understand him 2)you don't try to understand him or 3)your a Fu(king idiot who doesn't know what in the hell they are talking about. everyone has their opinion and everyone is going to share it. does it really matter at the end what anybody thinks? just as long as you are making yourself happy and listening to whatever YOU enjoy. so to all of you that like or love manson, i agree and i think your opinion is great. and to all of you that don't like him, or hate him, thats your own opinion, and while i don't agree with it, i still yhink it is a good thing that you state your opinion. and whereas the rest of you that don't give a sh!t either way. at least they are getting good info on manson from all of the comments made in this web site. so. to HOBO thank you for stating your opinion. as you can tell you are getting alot of visitors to your site, which is probably why you are doing this. to everyone else. keep the opinions coming i enjoy reading them.
Posted by manson666:
you need to get your sh!t straight. manson is one of the best evr. and next time you critcise him, why don't you at least get the lyrics and the album title right. First off the title of the album is "The Golden Age og Grotesque" not "the golden age of being grotesque" second the lyrics to "The new sh!t" are "BABBLE BABBLE b!tch b!tch REBEL REBEL party party sex sex sex and don't forget the violence" not "RABBLE RABBLE bitch bitch RABBLE RABBLE party party sex sex sex and don't forget the violence. so next time you want to criticise him, get the "New Sh!t" right
Posted by demon child:
I think Marilyn Manson is the best singer and heavy metalist and he has aesome songs all time. he is also hot and a very different and beautiful person. he also has a very good personalitly and way of thinking. for all u people who love marilyn manson (rock on)
Posted by Tre forbannelse:
I think Manson is a good artist, the golden age of grotesque is by far his best work in my opinion, anyone can sing about drungs and say they are evil, that sh*t is for the kiddies, i think this album goes a bit deeper and is better lyricaly as well. im very impressed.
Posted by death face girled die:
manosns an insightful artist pop by far so suck his cock then complain you idiots should be ashamed
Posted by KinkyPinky:
i love manson and who ever doesnt can just go eat S*. he is beautiful and mechanical animals was a F* tight A* cd so F* off. "haters call me B*TCH call me faggot call me whitey but i am something that you'll never be" now u all can die
Posted by Surgis Mortimor:
fu$k any and all u basterds that say he has good music but u dont like him he expreses himself through his music you stupid cun$ a$s mother fu)ckin punk rock lovin lesbian/gay dumba%s fu#k heads u can die and go to hell il see ya there and fu%k u up soo bad that by the time im done ule be beggen me to give u to satin manson is a GOD and if u dont see that ure a fuc$in blind fool peace out
Posted by ROTTEN FISH:
HONESTLY HE SCARES ME.. HE GIVES ME THE HEBE JEEBES. BUT HES GOT ONE SONG I LIKE. AND YEAH ALL YOU OTHER FANS OF MANSON ROCK ON..
Posted by I am Me.:
To whoever wrote this, i have one thing to say: You are full of Sh*t! Marilyn Manson is an AWESOME singer and only a preppy b**ch could say sh*t like that about Manson. Honestly, I own three CDs and endless pictures and i have found that not only is he a bad-a$$ singer, but also that some of his songs have truth..You just need to read between the lines. And for the dude who had some questions about Goth people, I am what most people(people meaning preps) call a Goth. I dont consider myself a gothic person. I wear black constantly and yes, my eyeliner is WAY too heavy and sometimes I make it run down my face, but I dont personally consider myself to be a goth. I am Me.
Posted by Surgis MortiMor:
F*ck you, You dumb a@s bit#h who ever you are (the cold hard truth) what the fu@k does that mean you a@sfu#k suck my a@s and never visit this site agin you fu@ker. if my frind tyler knew you you whould have you a2s kicked so fuc2in hard your uncle whould limp for a week you BI@CH by the way Tyler Nathaniel Welker if your on this site write me back this is Richard
Posted by Surgis Mortemor:
I love Manson his songs kick a*s!!! up until a month ago I couldent stand him but my frind Tyler showed me his power of pure greatness/die you f*cking niggers
Posted by Brutis Divine :
Ok. who ever wrote this is a moron. Only true fans know that he is starting over fresh and in the end will be as sick as ever. Now for some darkness on the subject. Marilyn Manson or for my own strip down brian warner will soon be overtaken by a force far more powerful than he. For years I have begged and begged for him to save me from my dimise with no reply.Asking him to creat something diverce out of me. Now I have created myself witch is far greater than Manson.All the thigs I have read for years about how he has done crazy and freaky things I can now laugh at they no longer mean any thing to me. And I know this because I would like to see him hanging from my tree. Brian I would had died for you and in some ways I have.You are now one of the beautiful people,You will only do something that gets you money or attention.Im in it for neather I just want kids of to day not yasterday to be happy. you said it yourself it's a depraved new world.Well brian to your world I proudly say KABOOM! KABOOM!This world and the times they are a changen. For anyone with comments or whoever wants to join my bright army feel free to e-mail me at rodneytoothpick696@yahoo.com Thank you!
Posted by Doctor Spidey1:
A truly exQuisit masterpiece! ThankYou Mr. Manson! You truly inspire Me!
Posted by Neonius:
Mediumal but, nonetheless, unpure evil. And... And.
Posted by gavinsbaby23:
marilyn was and always will be a great artist and this album definately demonstrates the enormous talent he and his band posses
Posted by Halo2-PrettyHateMachine:
*applauds i hate fans* i completely and utterly agree with you,but all together mansons older works (in my opinion) were a lot better than 'the golden age of grotesque'..but you shallow f*cks need to get some brains or go back to your teeny-boppin prep stage..
Posted by Nitroadict:
Ihatefans rules. I thankfully burned this album, and although I found it enjoyable at times, i like about 65% of the album , I admit it isn't exactly something to be rushing to stores for [I can only see the attention his album got on the chart for the first week as he had talked about it a lot for a while]. I derived though that whatever meaning in it was most likley personal, mixed with a lack of ideas or just going off track too much. I have listened to most of this albums [antichrist superstar, hollywood, mechanical albums] and I will continue to have faith in his next project [Intelligently, after golden age, a greatest hits with a few new songs]. I mean, he made Mechanical Albums; I was raised that this music was evil and consuming, and at the time I was listening to only soft rock (sadly..not a lot of was good, that 97.1 crap), and I bought this [Mechanical Animals] on impulse randomly. It blew me away. It is a complete work of art, and in my opinion his best album made so far. back to the golden age of grotesque, I think the review was very fair, and in comparison to his past works, he coulda done better, but then again, he's the artist and we, the fans aren't. Btw, all you people not spelling correctly are so freaking lazy you'll make it the next bibical sin [this coming from an agnostic]. Also, I'm very interested in this whole "goth" definition. I looked it up on a dictionary but I'd prefer you all "real" goths to explain. Cause after all, this is real life, so you "goths" must go hard, just like those crap rappers [Ja Rule...] rappin' 'bout the life. Here's a tip, email me: mc_suess@hotmail.com entertain me with your "mansion is SEXY", "he is better and freakier than all",hi love vicky xx [i want to punch that person for making me waste my seconds of life sent reading such a pointless post, amid others]. antiMusic is good.
Posted by spunky girl:
i love this albem it just gets better every albem he makes all the song are gr8. use your fist and not your mouth is mind blowing, just like him i think he is so hot. i wish he would get back with rose she was nice not dita he could do so much better than that. luv sara xxx
Posted by Samby:
I think Marilyn Manson is awesome, and Brian Warner is incredible,he gets his creativity and still shocks, I can't wait to see what he does next and same with Marilyn Manson
Posted by Trouble:
I love Manson's new album. It is my favorite album and Manson is sexy.
Posted by Sk8orgrl49:
I wish he would marry me he is so hottt
Posted by sk8orgrl49:
Marilyn Manson is the best With out his makeup he is Cute
Posted by Rachel69:
DAMN! You people really need to learn how to spell. Anyway, I was once a huge Marilyn Manson fan. He is very intelligent and well-spoken. However, we all grow and change and so can our obsessions. He knows he sold out. Don't you have to when you become a big "ROCK STAR"? Blessed Be. Later.
Posted by I hate fans:
And one more thing. I respect what Hobo said in this article. I may not agree with it, but I respect Hobo as a writer and as a person with an opinion, as well. Maybe you MM fans should, too.
Posted by I hate fans:
Come on, this is so stupid. Look at how if you EVER insult an artist, the fans come flocking to defend their artist with sh*t like "He is Fu#%ink Hot and SExy.HE is Too hot and sexy." I mean...how about getting a f*cking brain on your way to hell? If that's too hard, let's start with something simple. All of you who call yourselves goth..What is goth to you? I mean..seriously..last year you were prep, but over the summer, you decided one day, "Hey, I'm going to be goth next year." And so you are. Well, maybe next year you can be a piece of sh*t rapper and you'll leave us all alone.
Posted by marilynmansonspuddles:
youre a god to me
Posted by MarilynMansonsPuddles:
i love ur'e creation manson and let them keep on a rolling and i love to listen to ur'e music 24-7 well i love that song tainted love that u did and i hope everyone did and loves all of his cd's and his songs
Posted by Teenage mutant ninja turtle:
marilyn manson
Posted by sluty_whore_2004:
I think that marilyn manson has great music and that he is a sexy beast. He is the greatest. Keep them cds comming manson. I'd love to buy them all.
Posted by strangelove:
alright i read alot of these reviews and have kind of a mixed opinion. I do like the older manson more than his new one(golden age) but it has its own originality to it. granted the lyrics aren't great but you can say that about pretty much any band. things change and your not used to it so you bitch that older is better. i do feel that his new cd did have too many songs that seemed intended for a new wider audience but not anywhere near selling out.(like metallica) thats a whole different thing though. also AntiChrist in my OPINION sucked but he didnt release more bad albums he came back with an awesome album "mechanical animals" so i wouldnt say that his new "theme" would even stay he has yet to release 2 cd's sounding alike y now?
Posted by mr. normal:
i think all of you are idiots who cant spell. MM is just out to get your money. everything he does is talked about by his advertisement managers and then he picks what to do while puffing on his cuban cigar and drinking a margarita. and the person who put their name as god is one heck of an idiot.
Posted by Okay, Marilyn Manson Obseser said it all:
she just forgot to say that nobody could ever live up to him *SEXY F**king BEAST* meow!
Posted by Marilyn Manson obsesser:
I love marilyn manson.So does all of my friends.I have all of his pictures biography and music downloaded.I F#%king Love him TOO much.......He is my Idol. he is awsome,never scared to be different.Than he is Fu#%ink Hot and SExy.HE is Too hot and sexy.
Posted by MaNsOn FrEaK:
Hi I`m Anne, from germany. Manson is the sexiest man alive! I love him so much!!! He is the god of f**k. *kiss*
Posted by TheReverend:
Just to add on the comment about him not being satanic (althought this thread probably died a long time ago)..... a slight confusion between being satanic and being a satanist :) Anton LaVey gave him the honorary title because he is very Satanic.... this being a very individual person with high inteligence that thinks for themselves and can express their well formed judgements in a very inteligent way..... in Manson's case his artwork and Music. This isn't to say he is a Satanist, just been honoured by the founder of the CoS for his endeavor to enlighten the masses
Posted by GOD:
the music is against ME, however I like IT !!! I'll put YOUR music to be played in HELL. so be PROUD.
Posted by AnK:
I think that some people need to grow up or something. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. No need to go crazy over it on this site or any other site.
Posted by ~NiGhTmArE~:
hobo. you are Fu*king stupid why are you on this site no one wants to listen to you so go screw yourself. Manson is a sexy bitch!
Posted by unique:
i love marylin manson. He is better and freakier than all.
Posted by guesswrong:
manson is very...
Posted by mechanical animal:
You have written a very good review but I think you (along with MANY other people) are a fool. At least if you believe the things you wrote about manson. He isn't out to scare anyone. To instill shock into people's hearts is much too easy. You are missing the point of manson's music. He's not even satanic. He just sais that to cause contravrsyamong people because it amuses him. If you'd take the time to listen to his music you'd realize many things about him and his rapidly changing "persona". i'd right a huge long comment about manson but I'ts not gonna change the way you look at him so I won't bother wasting my time. I don't really care that twiggy ramirez left because he joined APC which is one of my 5 top fave bands and he's the greatest bass player. P.S. - It's The Golden Age Of Grotesque not the golden age of being grotesque and just for the record, mechanical animal is the most beautiful album in the world and watching you puke on it is a slap in the face.
Posted by Morbid Angel:
manson is GOD...i love him.
Posted by morbid child:
i love manson music.
Posted by gothic:
merilyn manson is my god i love him ... me and all of my friends look up 2 u soo much we love ya
Posted by Mrs_Warner:
*ahem* excuse me...I believe in God.(but you don't have too.)Yet I still hold a HUGE place in my heart for Brian.He isnt afraid to stand up for his opinions and wave them in the publics face.He has made me into the person im am now and d***n it im happy!Leave him alone you fvckers...hes my idol.
Posted by CradleThyName:
Everybody has there own opinion, but you don't have to disrespect others. He's a great artist and musician. He can do what ever he wants and he is rich so he must be doing something better then all you F-ing couch potatoes. Just let the man be himself!!!
Posted by 732-1396:
I love Marilyn Manson i dont care what my friends say hes the best and i love all his songs
Posted by MansonChick66:
I think mansons one of the best out there..
Posted by Hobo:
Let me be who I want to be. I want to be a judgemental, outspoken prick. Victory me.
Posted by Morbid chlid:
let marilyn manson be who he wants to be,we all now know he has got a child,he is turning from all hte bad language and evil stuff.i like him,and his music.just let him be who he wants to be.stop judging him.
Posted by Hobo:
Me... a product of popular culture... by... refusing to listen to this mainstream Manson sh!te? Something sounds a little wrong there Angela. And 'Angel with the scabby ballsac' I dare say 'God' (although I do not believe in him let alone follow him) has an infinitely greater impact on the world - I mean hell, half the world is shaped predominately by the Christian doctrine. Tard. And 'Sin', could you please define the word 'alsome' for me?
Posted by Sin:
I Think manson rock so fucc whatever anyone else thinks keep up the alsome work guys! your always #1 to me.:)
Posted by KIM:
I THINK THERE NEW CD IS COOL AN DTHE BAND IS STILL KILLER COOL AN EVEN IF TIM SKOLD ID THERE NEW BASS PLAYER
Posted by KIM:
I THINK THERE NEW CD IS COOL AN DTHE BAND IS STILL KILLER COOL AN EVEN IF TIM SKOLD ID THERE NE WBASS PLAYER
Posted by the angel with scabbed wings:
i think u all are fu*king stupid people manson is the best wake up who is the biggest influence god or marilyn manson
Posted by AdORE:
no one's insane b*tch.u prob have bad taste in music and you def didn't listen to MM since of the beginin so that's why u hadn't any expectation for much.this album is poor!I dare to judge this LP based on other MM work and I dare to say i'm disappointed.I listened to it several times and I found 4 songs that bareable to listen.I donnu-he lost his touch.He lost his high lyrical level.He lost most of his fans with MA,so why takin a chance that this will happen again? "ka boom ka boom"-what d f*ck is that?? but you what baby? u can keep on sayin it's amazing and s*ck baby s*uck-it's vodevil.
Posted by bitch:
are you insane? This album is amazing, and should go down as his best effort to date, some fans hate evolution, and want bands to repeat albums over and over to satisfy the elation of the first kiss, so to speak, but this is just a god damn amazing piece of work, my favorite track being "Vodevil"
Posted by Angela:
I just read hobo's posts. Terrible. He seems to be one of the people Manson talks about, but he's to ignorant and overlooks what he does and says. His ego is so large he feels his opinions are superior to everyone elses. The fact is everyone can have their own opinions of Manson ... love him, hate him, don't care ... why bitch about it back and forth on a website. People who do that are all about finding enemies and fighting for what they believe in, but they don't even know what they believe in ... they're just values put on you by society, family, and your culture.I respect him as an artist and the things he has to say. That's my opinion and if anyone thinks differently then so be it. It's your opinion I'm not going to tell you you're wrong.
Posted by Angela:
I think the album is great. Old fans can wait all they want for Manson to go back and be the way he was ... but it'll never happen because he grows and thinks and is truely brillant. When he gets the time he thinks things out and can entertain a thought without believing it. Also this review is crap because they can't even get the lyrics right so their opinions can't be worth much. rabble rabble bitch bitch rabble rabble party party sex sex" ... when in fact they are "babble babble bitch bitch rebel rebel party party sex sex sex and don't forget the "violence"" This review isn't worth the two minutes the person put into it.
Posted by spawn:
GOD IS NOT REAL,JESUS IS FAKE,WE ARE ALL MADE FROM APE,
Posted by bum:
this cd kicks the FCC in the nut.It manson 2nd best.antichrist #1
Posted by goth:
I am goth!
Posted by Hobo:
Well when the daughter of Lucifer is spawned I do believe she will speak exactly as she has done on this board; 'besides i like him i reackon he rocks so kiss my ass if you think im worng, eye am no deh retakded!!11'
Posted by AdORE:
the whole album is the new *hit and i def (s)aint like it at all!! very low non inteli lyrics.. like d song says:good at nothing but being everything that's bad bad bad" - I'm still lookin for a REAL comeback of the antichrist superstar demon dog!
Posted by glamgal4ever@yahoo.com:
I love Brian Warner. He is intelligent and theatrical. I luv ALL his music. My fav song is COMA WHITE. I think he is brilliant. I do not see him as evil or satanist. I see him as an ARTIST. I am not evil, nor an I a satanist. But when I hear his music I recognize the world around me. I think Manson is ahead of his time. He is a genius!
Posted by The Devils Daughter:
umm i think Marilyn rocks he has changed people so we are not all the same (if that makes scence) besides i like him i reackon he rocks so kiss my ass if you think im worng
Posted by natalie:
i link that the should stop vandalizing the steets and keep it clean
Posted by Hobo:
Satanist? You people are so retarded it's making me weep. Manson is NOT evil, he's a cleverly marketed product which (I'll admit) has brilliantly sucked in the teenage market. If I don't like Manson what am I doing here? Checking up on the review I wrote... moron. And thanks for bringing up that pathetic cliche 'if u dun liek him u must b jealas!!'... seriously... don't you have ANYTHING better than that? Clearly you're jealous of Justin Timberlake, Britney Spears, Eminiem, Vanilla Ice and Linkin Park as well, asshat.
Posted by Porsche:
It's the best manson cd ever!!! It's so F*****G godd
Posted by TehKanuck:
First off id like to say "Fvck YEAH!!!" to Ov3rDo5e for proving his worth as a true Satanist.... but down to buisness. Everyone is whining about how Manson is a rippoff ond all that stuff, but when is the last time youve seen anything truely original in the last fifteen years? Grunge? Its badly played Punk. NuMetal? please. Its even said on the album "Everyhting has been said before/Nothing left to say any more". And Hobo, Manson isnt Slayer, or Mayhem, or Pantera... get over it. He is trying to stay enough in the mainstream that he gets played on Mix radio. when is the last time you heard Down on a multiformat station. You cant get that stuff to the public like you could in Slayer's day.
Posted by Ov3rDo5e:
what the fvck are you doing here if your'e such a christian??!! It's people like you that make Christians look like the stupid religion thiefs that you are.. everything about your religion is stolen from other religions predating Xtianity. blind sheep you are. go try to force your beliefs on some other shmuck. Hail Satan! ASL- Satan has been the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in bussiness all these years.
Posted by GODS CHILD:
I WAS SITTING HERE READING SOME OF THESE REVIEWS AND IT AMAZES ME THE WAY SOME PEOPLE EXPRESS THERE OPINIONS THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS MARILYN WAS CREATED BY GOD FOR HIM AND NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES 'GODS LOVE DOES NOT CHANGE FOR HIM, NO MAN CAN'T SIN PAST GODS GRACE, HIS GRACE AND HIS MERCY COVERS IT ALL.NOTHING NOT NO WHERE OR NO HOW CAN SEPERATE YOU FROM THE LOVE OF GOD. NOTHING, NOTHING.GOD LOVES YOU MARILYN, UNCONDITIONALLY. GOD BLESS YOU AND ALL YOUR FANS ALIKE. I PLEAD THE BLOOD OF JESUS OVER YOU ALL. AND I WILL SEE YOU IN HIS PRESENCE.......
Posted by Ov3rDo5e:
There,s more to making albums than pleasing close minded people. people evolve as does their music. do you really expect all the albums to have the same sound? That would be rather boring. Making an album that appeals to a younger crowd is a good move on his part i would say. they are the future. his music has to live on. You guys make some albums...then talk. Ingrates!
Posted by Ov3rDo5e:
F*ck all who oppose! Do i smell Jealousy??? If you dont like Marilyn so much what are you doing here in the first place. He has everything you all will never have. and he didnt get it because he Wasn,t an artist so f*ck off! -Ave Satanas!
Posted by Hobo:
I think Chuck Schuldiner, Tom Araya and Devy are tad little more evil than Manson... (And I dare say they don't appear on mTVs charts either.)
Posted by Painkiller:
Manson and evil lives forever!!!
Posted by Hobo:
dear wurld u h8 me but i am evil and bad and manson is the best music man ever!1! he is deh satan and will rain down evilness on you all, he is evolving and he is ART! fvck bach, manson all the way, he is just sooo0o0o0oo deep!! he is deh inspiring. --- Give me a goddam break. Please - just end your lives now.
Posted by bloody_star_13:
i love manson's music, hes so artistic, i think this album shows his growth and change over time, not 'maturing'...but....'changing', basicly, theres no point putting him down, cause he's defenintly on his way up!!! MANSON IS GOD!!!
Posted by otilio blas I from puerto rico:
deare manson i like your album becouse what you did but your the best rock pop star superstar Ithink that manson is a great work to him I hope that he makes a come back with anti christ a come back in 2004 this year peaple think that am crazy for hearing that music of manson music
Posted by Hobo:
'Who are you to downplay his art?' --- I'm a fvcking reviewer on this site, and I am of the opinion that - although I did enjoy Antichrist - this album is horrible and Manson's legions of fans are pathetic, self-isolated goth-wankers. Take a cross section of the posts here - you've got the fanatical tards proclaiming Manson as wiping away the 'lies' or Christianity, you've got people who listen to Manson because they're weak, self-depressive wankers, you've got the trendy little teeny boppers who like mOBSCENE and you've got the stock standard, ignorant bastards that wouldn't know real metal if it called itself Slayer and reigned for some 20 years.
Posted by The Avenging Raven:
Aren't some people in theis world so foolish and intolerable? I believe some people need to shut the hell up ::lil_goth_rat:: I come to a site like this to just review what some people seem tend to think about one of my faveorite artists, i'm not here to argue, but when i see the mindless sh*t of a seemingly 7-year- old, i want to kill myself. so my point is, shut the hell up you pathetic twit
Posted by lil_goth_vicky:
manson is my god and he is da daddy! every1 loves him like me! any1 dat dnt like manson is a fl_lckin weirdo
Posted by dont have a clue!:
I LOVE U CYCLOPSE and marilyn manson
Posted by dont have a clue!:
I LOVE U CYCLOPSE and marilyn manson
Posted by The Cold, Hard Truth!!!:
Face it kids, Manson lost it a long time ago (remember HolyWood?...what a vile, bloated lump of Sh** that was!) Anti-Christ was, and still is, a masterpiece! Perhaps we have Reznor to solely thank for this, as Mansons subsequent albums have hinted over and over. I'll admit, he's a smart guy, but his recent work is over-produced, boring, not to mention self-indulgent. Worse, it make twaddle like KMFDM almost seem brilliant by comparison. Mr. Manson, I'm loathe to admit, ur beating a dead horse. People: get over it already (that means you Goth girl/boy!)
Posted by cyclopse:
Manson is My God. Screw Christianity and every other Religion on this earth, if there is a god that speaks truth and just says what he thinks its my man manson. And hopefully if our band ever gets big you will see the influanc Manson is to me
Posted by lil_goth_vicky:
hi love vicky xx
Posted by lil_goth_vicky:
heya its me agen marilyn! wen is da next time ur comin 2 da UK??? i love ur concerts ive only eva been 2 one but it was so kl! love 2 go agen
Posted by lil_goth_vicky:
marilyn is da king of music and always will be I LOVE U MARILYN
Posted by lil_goth_vicky:
no one loves marilyn manson as much as i do! AnD u CaN aSk AnYoNe!!!
Posted by lil_goth_vicky:
I LOVE U MARILYN MANSON and i hope everyone does
Posted by lil_goth_vicky:
everything about him is awesome! i love everything about him! and espicially his songs!
Posted by glenn again:
and i forgot to also add, that all of you people that say you love manson and would die for him need to get a life. And get off of his genitalia.
Posted by glenn:
I think the album was put together perfectly. It is a little on the pop-rock side of music but still and all it's a very artistic cd.And not to mention the live performance from this era is incredible.So in this sentence I wrap it up by saying,change is good and manson is great
Posted by the king:
cause evry1 loves u not more then me though I LOVE U MANSON
Posted by B:
Grotesque is my fav CD MArylin Manson is a very good musican(and yes most of my friends and I want to do him) But I have to say this is my fav of his albums.
Posted by Just Tera:
I see my typo now...I'm sure that looks great one me. "difference it Manson's success"...? Hah.
Posted by Just Tera:
Well, I'm glad that the writer of this review at least did thorough research before commenting on someone's art. Presenting the words to the song highly incorrectly...bad move. This CD you are speaking of is wonderful, and you there, writer, are not making a damn difference it Manson's success. Who are you to downplay his art? So, maybe you don't enjoy it. Get a little culture, or at least a little sense. Know what you're bashing before you make a fool of yourself. Thank god for Misery's Child for setting you on the right path. Why don't you do a little research next time before you start priting your babble for the whole world to laugh at. Manson is a very intelligent, talented, and artistic man. Read his book, LISTEN to his ablbums...and words. Watch as he overpowers you, and your little world. F*ck off.
Posted by Gothic Boy:
Awsome CD
Posted by Misery's Child :
it goes like BABBLE BABBLE BITCH BITCH REBEL REBEL PARTY PARTY SEX SEX SEX AND DON'T FORGET THE VIOLENCE u pathetic scum. get a life.
Posted by amanda:
manson was great then and still is now
Posted by Chewy:
Who wrote this shi^^y review? Perhaps some close minded dimwit who cannot accept a bit of change? Wise up jack@ss because the jokes on you.
Posted by Your worst nitemare:
Obviously you just came out of kindergarden.Your review smells of a 6 year old trying to draw stick figures with a box of stale crayons.Don't be so jealous of the great one.His TRUE fans will never leave him
Posted by another nobody:
You're review sucks. You should respect the man.
Posted by black.cherry:
also, its "babble babble bitch bitch rebel rebel party party sex sex sex and dont forget the violence ;)
Posted by black cherry:
i think marilyn manson is one of the few artists out there these days that attempts new things. when looking at each one of their releases they have a new image, a new sound and it's all original. also, mechanical animals is by far the best marilyn manson era ;)
Posted by Ash ANTI-CHRIST:
Marilyn Manson kicks a**!! He's really smart guy and all the parents who have issues with him must have some serious issues with your kids too cuz he tells it how it is(some songs) Manson is better then most of you people who are against him cuz he putting some thing out in the world for us to look forward to hearing and u guys against him arent doing anything for us but b*tch and complain and i dont listen to people who only whine bout stupid stuff. give it up manson is sweet sh*t!!! MANSON KICKS A^*!! (and if ur gonna try to dis his music get it right)
Posted by Draconian Umpire:
Manson is a $hit sell out artist with a attitude that smells like Yack-cologne. Oh and his album isnt very good either
Posted by mRs MaNsOn:
its REBEL REBEL BITCH BITCH REBEL REBEL PARTY PARTY SEX SEX SEX AND DONT FORGET THE VIOLENCE you have f|_|cked up this review thing BIG time you got loads of things wrong like the name of the cd
Posted by YEah:
WHERE IS SMOTZ?
Posted by M1KE:
PHISH SUCKS!!!
Posted by lukes@araratcc.vic.edu.au:
i think that nu sh!t is kool.sid vishious
Posted by Hobo:
Hobos daddy just doesnt even bother to make sense. Jnor you total knob, he aims to portray himself as such. Theyre wrong because theyre one of his manufactured personas. Black people as an insult? What the f*ck are you talking about? Oh well lets see, America gives its citizens the right to own firearms on a large scale. Stupidest law in existence. 11000 deaths. Shame you couldnt be one of them. I've got nothing against black people - you moron - but I hate rap.
Posted by Hobo's Daddy:
You don't see how Metallica, Anthrax or Machine Head are alternative? Pull head from ass, clean ears, listen again. Keep writing reviews idiot, you're only embarassing yourself.
Posted by Not-So Common Sense:
I suppose Mad Hatter and I are the only people who have a problem with Hobo using black people as an insult whilst helping to promote a racial stereotype. Generalisations about Australians include their societie's overt racial prejudice; this is after all the only country to pass a law giving chimpanzees an equal right to life with humans (believe it or not due to the fact they share 98% of our DNA) and yet went out of the way to hide the aboriginal protestors who had been moved off their land from picketing the Olympics. Come back Ghettopoly all is forgiven..........though he is right that Manson has only been getting worse.
Posted by jnor:
ummm those are characterzations he has portrayed. if anyone has ever beileved that he is "evil" what ever evil means should see a therapist.
Posted by Hobo:
Phish? Who the hell are Phish? I listen to Slayer, Metallica, In Flames, Chimaira, Arch Enemy, Testament, Machine Head, Lamb Of God, Strapping Young Lad, Opeth, Anthrax, Pantera, Iced Earth and Entombed... I dont see how thats 'alternative crap' - hey Manson is an extremely intelligent guy and he's done well to manipulate tards like you into believing he's the antichrist and evil and such, but he missed the mark damn badly on this album.
Posted by MMrocks:
i was talkin to hobo
Posted by MMrocks:
i was talkin to hobo
Posted by MMrocks:
shut up, stupid. you idiots who listen to phish and other alternative crap need to accept that manson is a friggin genius & hes talking about important things.
Posted by NuMetal4Ever:
This is a kick ass cd, so fu*k all you a$$holes that whine cuz you want your music to stay the same. times cahnge and so does the music, get over it!
Posted by Charles hale:
When I got this CD I listened to it for days and nights It is so bad ass
Posted by ABCD:
Alice Cooper is a f**king has been. At least Ozzy can still perform. Any ideas Manson may have borrowed he greatly improvized on and made his own. Alice Cooper is f**king boring. Manson has put more depth in his efforts in comparison to that old dinosaurs entire career. Its pretty sad people can't appreciate evolution of an artist. As long as many people have such strong opinions about Manson he's doing something right.
Posted by jima:
mr manson is the greatest thing that ever happened to music 666
Posted by gord:
well ithink manson is the greatest. ive been listening to him for eight years and nomatter what kind of music he comes out with i will support. although golden age isnt his best cd i still love it. pesonally antichrist is the best.
Posted by Assclown:
Fu*kin Killer CD!
Posted by Mad Hatter:
Now, what was that with the Black Man all about?
Posted by Hobo:
Are you kidding? Are you having a whine because I added "The" to the title? Dead set: slit wrists now.
Posted by Hobo:
Well lets see here. "hes trying to make a sataement in POP you say??? thats an insult to MM!!" - Its a shame you dont possess the nessecary skills to decipher my statement clearly saying Manson was commenting on the STATE - OF - POPULAR - MUSIC. He's actually commenting on popular culture in general in that track. And dont call anyone a retard when you spell statement "sataement". Tzi-tzi you goddamn drone, I'm not going to listen to any fvcking moron who cant even prevent himself from double posting. Smackdaddy you goddamn fool, this is mansons worst 'albulm(sic)' to date. Look, just to prevent the disabled from posting more poorly spelt attacks on me - If you don't like my opinion then you can go deepthroat a black man. If you want to voice an opinion alternate to mine, thats fine, but insulting me doesn't really alter my view on the album. "if your gonna write a friekn article get your facts staright you think your hot sh*it.." If yeh gonaa rite a replie to mi artikel than @ leest llearn too sphell. People try fighting the power instead of letting the power anally violating you for its own amusement.
Posted by tzi-tzi:
he cant even get the name of the album correct, im not going to listen to someone who cant even get that much going for them...
Posted by tzi-tzi:
he cant even get the name of the album correct, im not going to listen to someone who cant even get that much going for them...
Posted by Mel:
WHat do i think.. hmm let me think about that one i think you people are stu*pid you dont know the first thign about MM. and the song THIS IS THE NEW SHI*T is BABBLA BABBLE bitch bitch REBLE REBBLE party party S*EX SE*X SE*X and dont forget the violence. if your gonna write a friekn article get your facts staright you think your hot sh*it.. POP ??? hes trying to make a sataement in POP you say??? thats an insult to MM!! YOU F*ucking R*etards!stop analyzing MM ans start analyzing rappers who are doing the sameSH*T and more
Posted by Smackdaddy:
Half of you on here have no idea what you're talking about. Manson's new albulm is great. It's the best albulm they've put out since Antichrist.
Posted by Hobo:
Oh well, he stated I had "gramatical" errors (wrong spelling), so I'd have to say that he needs to understand the english language before he analyses (australian spelling) my review. Same thing applies to his comment as he applied to my review.
Posted by DeadSun:
That site is hilarious, Hobo. Keep fighting the good fight.
Posted by Mad Hatter:
Uhm... ok, I havenīt checked out the site yet, but I will later. Just one more nit-picking thing.... not meant to piss you off, but.... what exactly was it that made Rian a hypocrite..? Just wondering, cause you were talking about not being able to comprehend big words, and now it seems to me, not even you are so sure about all of your big words...
Posted by Hobo:
Well I've got something of a small problem where I work myself into a blind rage over the smallest of details. If I was to follow that docrine then I would simply not be me. Need evidence? rezzentment.cjb.net
Posted by Mad Hatter:
Hobo... that was so over the top..... people only get aggressive when they unconsciously admit something. People who feel no need to defend never attack.
Posted by Hobo:
Oh dear Rian, school me in your brilliance, teach me to emit such a glorious aura as you do, allow me to worship your person. F*ck off you goddam nit-picking little prick, I've got better things to do than proof read my reviews a thousand times over. Look at your own goddam post "this is the worst reviews on the album" - GRAMMATICAL ERROR, "other gramatical errors" SPELLING ERROR. DIS HAZ TOO B DAH WORSTEST POST EVA BRUZ. F*cking piss off home you goddam hypocrite, have a big bitch over small errors. Perhaps you're just upset because you cant comprehend all the big words I use? In any case, I dont care.
Posted by Rian:
This is the worst reviews of the album I've read. The opinion is fine, but it's loaded with lyrical inaccuracies and other gramatical errors. Whoever wrote this needs to learn a little more about writing before they try to analyze anything.
Posted by hard rock freak:
I PROUDLY SAY"WELL I AM"
Posted by Hobo:
Its all about context jnor, NOW he doesnt seem shocking, hell now eminem and manson arent shocking anymore - but when Cooper first rocked up he was shocking as sh*t. I just asked my old man if he was shocking when he first broke into the media and he said "oh god yea" - and hes a 45yr old rock. People were more conservative, and yes manson ripped many an idea off cooper.
Posted by jnor:
alice alice alice....blah. i have heard coopers sh!t and frankly am not impressed. now he is some old has been who does commercials....was he ever shocking ? i dont think so..and what did he ever do that was the least bit thought provokeing? i dont know. sure manson wears make up...so does my mom...did he rip her off??? maybe!! lol
Posted by Hobo:
Just didnt do it for me mate,
Posted by Mad Hatter:
Canīt say anything against Tool Hobo (and why would i want to anyway...), they are freakin geniuses! But compared to MM, what in my opinion is abstract art, I would say Toolīs Music is rather math than art. And about that whole grotesque being pathetic thing... you donīt have to shock to rock. So, they arenīt that shocking and disturbing anymore, so what??? TV finally took their place by showing what they show. And letīs face it. If you got a president like the U.S. does, thereīs nothing one could possibly do to shock others. Manson saw that & grew more sophisticated and calm. He did the right thing when jumping off the boogey-man train. And be sure that heīll raise enough issues in the years to come, because he always finds a way to become something new. Something that will open our eyes by pulling our hair as hard as it can. Heīs the magician
Posted by mrs. manson:
anything and everything by manson is great, and he is hella sexy.
Posted by Hobo:
Jason... im pretty sure that the entire basis of my review was the point that Penguin rasied. Then I repeated it several times in the forum. And yes, NIN and Dregd good... (aint heard mars yet)
Posted by penguinintheroom:
yes, nin is definitly good stuff, id suggest: dredg, the mars volta and a perfect circle
Posted by Jason:
thank you penguinintheroom! finaly someone has the common sense to put that bastard where he belongs. if ur looking for gothic music that is really art stick with nine inch nails. trent resnor is a true genius as a musical aranger and writer. manson is just schlock, used to be shock.
Posted by penguinintheroom:
for some reason i dont find anything he does artistic. hes a bright guy from interviews i have seen but just look at the track titles alone,the music is about as inventive and artistic as breaking benjamin.(who arent too original if you were wondering about my logic)
Posted by Hobo:
Yep, what a rebellious underground crowd they are: Manson, Good Charlotte and Slipknot. Gee wiz darkcoal!
Posted by darkcoal:
i went to the manson show Friday aug 8th good show, and billy from good charlotte was there lol. there cool people they like slipknot and all there not all poppy like you think.
Posted by darkcoal:
i went to the manson show Friday aug 8th good show, and billy from good charlotte was there lol. there cool people they like slipknot and all there not all poppy like you think.
Posted by Hobo:
Mad Hatter, this whole grotesque crap is pathetic. The shock value of Manson hasnt been around for a long while. I gave the lyrics a chance, I do like Manson at times, but this is just pathetic. Hes a genius in his ability to make people swallow crap and ask for me - as you have so happily done. Art and music? Tool.
Posted by vicious:
www.thehouseplantsband.com
Posted by vicious:
hi guys, there is a band in houston called the houseplants that are really good...this nothing to do with what you are talking about...take care
Posted by Mad Hatter:
I know that has been said quite often when it comes to "defending" The Golden Age Of Grotesque, but... you simply didnīt get it. Mr. Manson evolves like a larva into a (admittedly strange looking) butterfly, and some people just canīt keep up with him. Heīs a genius and right now as close to art as you can only get by intercourse. If you donīt like the music anymore... hey! It sure has changed, but did you really give it a chance? You donīt like the lyrics? Are you serious, or just donīt have a sense for nonsense? Maybe youīre simply not grotesque enough.
Posted by Alice Cooper:
"Marilyn Manson? I think that I thought of that already, right down to the vaudeville-esque themes and imagery. He even wears the damn top hat, too. Such 'original' art. That, and the other items which DeadSun pointed out; but its 'all a big coincidence', isn't it? Keep telling yourselves that."
Posted by bleach_black:
Regardless of what Manson has attempted to improve - image or music - he has UNDOUBTEDLY removed any real shock value. This was marketed as his appeal in the past, so where is his market now? I do believe he has made one of the most positive impacts upon music in general and may do so even more with turning to the mainstream. But face it people. He has done just that. Words like 'Old School fan' are a fallacy. The fact is that people such as myself were intrigued by Manson's point of view. His point of view now IS to sell records, and spouts slogans in order to do it. The best thing he could ever have done was something new.
Posted by Hobo:
The actual embodiment of grunge was a reaction against the image-obsessed music scene - so the Flanno's were intially an anti-statement, trying to reduce the focus on image and bring back the music. Today however, grunge has become an identifiable genre and as such the very elements of grunge which claimed to be against image, have ironically led to the creation of grunge's image. Take the image : music ratio of Manson, like 95% image, 5% music. The flannos were a statement that accompinied the music - not an element of the music as Manson is insisting on.
Posted by insectame:
this venture into the complex realm of artistic monipulation is a great way to identify with something that is not shameful.to me,this album is just as much as art as anyother true artist out there.the imagery has always and will always be apart of marilyn manson the persona and the man.so when you suggest that there is much more imagery than substance,try look at it this way,one can not exist with out the other.and plus,every artist and musician(i like to think of them as the same)has there own imagery to go with their music, even grung,which by the way was said to be against imagery...which is foolish,the flanals were as much apart of the music as the music itself. i love this album as much as i love my own works of art
Posted by Hobo:
I didnt think it was a good album. So stop bitchin' when I dont rate it. The best way to use reviews is to listen to the reviewer on the basis on how intuned your tastes are to his/hers. I thought Manson could have done alot better - as Phil said of Korn's untouchables production budget: "when its all about the image and not the music, you should call it quits". Oh and most refer to this 'bitchin' as 'reviewing'. Favourite track of Manson is probably Angel With Scabbed Wings - not the Beautiful People.
Posted by Mike:
I think this was a good album. He'll never top "The Beautiful People" so stop bitchin' when he doesn't.
Posted by Hobo:
Im not an old school fan as such. I hear mOBSCENE often on the radio and I prefer Strapping, Slayer and Pantera to fire me up. Lets all keep in mind just how sh*tty my radio station is down here, anyone not familiar with my rants concerning its outrageous nature check out my first rant. I count it as a negative album because of the poor quality of lyrics, predictability and generally poor quality of tracks. Uplayeah im pretty sure its extremely stock-standard to compare a new release with the bands past work - take if Load came out under some unknown band. It might well just get positive reviews, but in light of what Metallica was and has done, its not up to par. Its trying to analyse the bands evolution, its direction and so on.
Posted by uplayeah:
GAOTG is Manson's best album to date. It seems this review counts it as a negative to have songs that are listenable. It's almost this elitist attitude as to identify yourself as an old school fan. 'Smells like Children'- there's practically no music there. 'Antichrist'- has great songs but some are just mindless screaming. I live in NYC and havn't heard one of his new songs on the radio, so I guess they weren't so radio friendly after all. There's no accounting for taste, but GAOTG gets me fired up to listen to.
Posted by Hobo:
I hate Good Charlotte.
Posted by Echo :
have you ever heard of 3 days grace, i hate everything about you its really neat and Good Charlotte their so cool.
Posted by God:
you know the guy should tone it done on the make-up like, okay he wears black cloths and elovator shoes but the make-up and powder (i think he wears powder) plus the hair all im saying is that putting on less make-up would make him feel better about himself im not a totall freak about everything but its just my little edvise
Posted by God:
hey you know M&M's song 'New Sh!t' is like a really cool song yaknow i sereously someone should make a movie about it the reason im writing this is cuz i dont know what this page is talking about and not about to read all of it because it would take me hours
Posted by killerc:
THE CD's badass! less religious and faith hate stuff in it and theres some stuid songs which are annoying like Doll-Dagga Buzz-Buzz and Vodevil. The CD's KIcks the new deftones cd anyday and its better than the metallica anger one. After seeing the ozzfest in sanantonio MAnson's show is crazy has strippers and freaky mickymouse lookalikes. Its pretty damn good but korn was the best at ozzfest
Posted by Hobo:
I must admit you have much more finesse and style in your rebuttals than I. I dislike it when I have to rebutt something like "YOU SUCK HOBO DEFTONES AER TEH BEST YOU ARE imMAATURE ANDd A FagG" like the one I got today. So I usually just unleash an array of insults.
Posted by DeadSun:
Verily, there is NO life before coffee--- or "B.C." as I like to call it. The rebutt, is like a game of chess--- no movement can leave the pieces in "perfect protection". Find the weak spot in the wall, and aim at it. It can just as easily happen to me, as animositisomina would tell you ( smiles ). Debate can be very engaging and entertaining, if one bears that in mind--- plus, one just might learn something in doing so.
Posted by Hobo:
Deadsun refer to the Linkin Park Meteora review, where I have a reply which i urge to bring to your attention. And this article has been disappointing, i havent stirred up much trouble at all. My Deftones article is STILL going strong with something like over 200 posts on it! Its more alive than any other part of the site! I love these hate mails i get of the morning! Ive got this full routine: get up - shower - coffee - battle the forces of mtv evil clone army - have brekky. Its refreshing.
Posted by DeadSun:
I apparently did not, animositisomina--- the double posting was put there as an afterthought. I have encountered so many people who attempt to compare America with Nazi Germany, over the course of time, my "reflexes" got the better of my reading comprehension skills ( laughs ). My apologies, Letifer. PS, no offense taken, animositisomina. No one is above being corrected--- that includes me as well. Now--- as far as my points that Manson took too many gross liberties with Cooper's ideas--- I stand firm.
Posted by Hobo:
But ive got to say, you're supportive argument, bit by bit analysis and rich use of examples sure changed my mind on the topic. Boy was I blind.
Posted by Hobo:
Yea man, dark like black eyeliner on a drag queen. Not dark like Tom Araya anymore, hes substituted alot.
Posted by j.b:
HIS MUSIC IS STILL DARK, IDIOT.
Posted by Hobo:
DeadSun that sounds about right to me. Whenever some Americans come round here i notice they dont like to have a laugh about themselves. I think Australia's got the loosest sense of humour, but that doesnt really bid well when talking to yanks. And as for Canadians - all I ever get is an earful about how much greater Canada is than Australia. Weird. Animostisoeisota or whatever, it doesnt really matter that much. Manson's cultural study aside, the album is still boring and stale. Letifer, I dont want to see a broadway show, I wanna see a rock act. The visuals are unimportant if the music still sucks.
Posted by animositisomina:
Deadsun, Letifer didn't say Nazi Germany, he said old Germany. As in the the period between the end of WWI and Hitler's successful commandeering of the German government. The time period is roughly 1918-1933, BEFORE Hitler came to power, during which "decadent" art (produced by the likes of Kirchner, Beckmann, Dix, Grosz, etc.) and lifestyles flourished. Actually, your post is hilarious, because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. P.S. I have nothing personal against you, I just feel like being a bastard.
Posted by DeadSun:
Many apologies for the double, but Letifer : comparing the US of today with that of old Germany? You seem too bright for such a reality trap. Here's a homework assignment for anyone who finds this to be a legitimate statement. Seek out somebody who lived through Germany under Hitler, and who later came to America. Upon locating said individual, try to push this observation past them. You might find that they don't "exactly" agree with your analysis. I am fortunate enough to know two people--- one a German woman who grew up as a child under Hitler, and a Jewish man who fled Germany before being killed off in a concentration camp. If you would like, I could have both of them write in with a response to such a comparison--- however, you ALSO seem bright enough to know what they would most likely say.
Posted by DeadSun:
I partied with some Aussies at Cape Cod this past summer. The only thing I remember is that you people can put down beer, and knock annoying people on their asses, in a surprisingly sophisticated manner, and to an extent that most Americans--- at a gut level--- couldn't relate to. In short, it was a blast.
Posted by Hobo:
And thats why I like DeadSun so much (more than Letifer). Letifer, I was given this review to give my opinion on it (or as I like to say "review" it), its none of my concern if Rolling Stone and a horde of other people and publications think its good music. Many a person feels that mainstream R&B is good music (nelly for instance) - but it is? Its up to the individual to make an opinion. In light of Mansons earlier work - in purely musical terms - this album is on a much lower level. While I feel Manson is extremely intellegent and culturally aware, and his CONCEPTS in themselves are good, the actual album is poor. The lyrics are poor, the guitaring is simplistic and boring. I feel Tool is musically light years ahead of Manson, sure Manson brings along the whole idea of being a work of art - but Im not interested in that. I dont want gimmicks or makeup or sideshows, I want music. And in musical terms and in my opinion, this album is incredibily lacking. I bid you good day kind sir.
Posted by DeadSun:
( laughing )I prefer doing BOTH, Letifer.
Posted by Letifer:
I think that we could get into some hardcore semantics and relativistic theory on what constitutes an artist, music, "details" and rip-off's but I think I'll just go listen to more music.
Posted by DeadSun:
Firstly : let's not kid ourselves, we all realize that there is a line which separates vague similarity from precise detail. Do both of these constitute a "rip-off"? I think that the latter does, and also believe that there IS something wrong with knowingly committing the latter. Are you saying that you do not? I also question the assertion that all popular musicians are "rip-off" artists ( "What popular musician hasn't ripped somebody else off?" ), that is, I question the validity of that statement according to my view as to what constitutes a rip off. Any dissenters?
Posted by animositisomina:
I think there's a point that needs to be made. So what if Marilyn Manson ripped off Alice Cooper? What popular musician hasn't ripped somebody else off? The obsession for artistic originality is, IMHO, rather bizarre. Like any human endeavor, it's not only smart, but necessary to stand on the shoulders of giants (to paraphrase Sir Isaac Newton).
Posted by Letifer:
DeadSun, I agree that a lot of elements of Cooper are indeed present in Manson's work/style/etc. I don't think it's a weak case at all. In fact, it seems that if you look at many of the "big time" performers they tend to cross gender lines. You know, Madonna dressing as Hitler, Michael Jackson (just in general - LOL) and things like that. I have to wonder if performers who are more androgynous are easier to relate for both sexes? Not sure but it's an interesting theory.
Posted by Letifer:
Yes, a few typos, Hobo. I make them, too. It seems bit hypocritical of you to insult other people for quoting/referencing MTV and making blanket statements as that tends to be the entire substance of your review. I see quite a lot of growth from Manson in TGAoG. It's visually compelling in a whole new way for Manson as far as costume and visual style. Is the music second to the visuals? Who cares, really because to many people it IS good music. The album contains some timely social commentary (as I see it, essentially comparing the atmosphere of the US today with that of old Germany) and the lyrical content is actually inspired. Songs like Use Your Fist And Not Your Mouth and The Bright Young Things have some thought provoking lines. Is Manson pop? If you haven't figured out that was his goal the entire time (seriously, check www.mansonusa.com for interviews) then maybe figure out why he named himself as he did. It does go a bit deeper than Alice Cooper. Manson has always been a reaction to pop culture and aimed at being an icon himself. I don't see a whole lot of other artist putting nearly as much EFFORT into their work as Manson. Tool might get pretty close, though.
Posted by DeadSun:
A few points to go over : 1.)A difference between Alice Cooper and bands such as Kiss and David Bowie are that Alice took a FEMALE stagename and a double personality, which could take on either masculine and feminine qualities. Kiss did NEITHER of these. Neither did Screamin' Jay Hawkins, yet these are two rather blatant FINE DETAILS which Manson took from Cooper. Bowie played the role of an androgynous persona, however it was WELL after Cooper had already embarked on his career--- Cooper has precedence. 2.) The macarbe, sideshow-esque themes and ideas which Cooper dealt with in his music and shows were CLEARLY not used by the likes of Bowie and Kiss either, and Hawkins' notoriety in this regard centers, almost entirely, around his live performances of "I'll put a Spell on You"--- ONE song. Manson, on the other hand, and once again, undoubtedly takes a directly correlative "cue" from the work of Cooper. Would anyone consider those observations as "a weak case"? I have more, but I'll sit back and see if someone wishes to take me to the task on what I've got down so far.
Posted by aG:
I got the "being" joke in the title. It was a joke right?
Posted by Trick:
and what's wrong with ac/dc?
Posted by Hobo:
Din (v): faint echo
Posted by Hobo:
No, im glad you took the effort to read and recite the article MTV posted on his site, but perhaps one day you could formulate your own opinion about a band? Hes f*cking numetal poprock, hes become a self paraody, this new stuff has no artistic integrity in comparison to his old stuff. Im im glued to my Metallica and Slayer cds, not ACDC, I dont really like ACDC that much, way to simplistic. K, who the hell is Chester? I said to the point of satire in reference to that one song. Everyone knows the Spice Girls, but does that mean they're better than Entombed or Down? No, hell no. Doll Dagga has an industiral din to it, Ministry isnt the definition of Industrial metal. That article is complete crap and im sick of these people reciting words DIRECTLY QUOTED FROM THE ARTICLE. The muscianship which No so begs of is pathetic. In what sense is their any level of advance or distinct musicianship? Just point it out to me if you please. ACDC still hold more talent than Mansons shindig. Everyone if you're gonna disagree with me dont use GENERAL BLANKET STATEMENTS or RIP OFF MTV QUOTES, try and formulate a supportive argument for your side. And K, almost everyone - NAY EVERYONE - agrees the music has taken a backseat to the pathetically childish and stereotypical image.
Posted by No:
His style evolved. He went in a different direction. Marilyn Manson would be a self-parody if he didn't evolve. You have to appreciate quality music to like this album. Maybe that's why Hobo is glued to his AC/DC cds still.
Posted by K:
Way to miss the point entirely, Chester. Before you start throwing around words like "satire" and criticizing him for it, you should find out what the word actually means. While we're on the subject of repetition, do you realize that everyone in the world knows his real name, and that an article about Marilyn Manson doesn't necessitate a clarification? The image is more important than the music? Haven't heard that before. "Doll-Dagga..." is industrial metal? Either you've never heard Ministry or you didn't actually listen to the album and either way you have no clue what the F you're talking about.
Posted by squat on your head:
i think this guy has o.k music,but if he didn,t rip of iggy,alice,g.g and tons of others that are due credit he wouldn,t be any where
Posted by Hobo:
Oh dear, a type o, all I lost, alas I am undone! The rating I gave it must be a type-o to, lemme check *checks*, nope.. nope the album still sucked.
Posted by Letifer:
It's Slutgarden, not "Sultgarden". The title is not: "The Golden Age of Being Grotesque". Manson is also not an "anti-artist" according to himself. He did admire the work of both David Bowie and Alice Cooper (along with KISS), however ripping them off is a pretty weak case to make. Yes, I've listened to the entire album several times (as well as Manson's previous albums) and I think it's definitely different in style, but but it's still true to the artist's vision. Too bad for those who cannot appreciate actual showmanship, artist evolution and compelling visual imagery with their music.
Posted by animositisomina:
Marilyn Manson ripped off Alice Cooper who ripped off Screamin' Jay Hawkins. So what? EVERYBODY gets their ideas from somebody else and people are quite naive to believe otherwise.
Posted by Danny D:
Twiggy made a good choice leaving the band. This disc proves it. Marilyn try putting less time putting on makeup and more time writing good lyrics. You know like you were doing with the Spooky Kids and POTAF
Posted by Ryu:
Damn, DeadSun beat me to it. I read an article a while back in which Alice Cooper commented (on Manson): "Lets see - he wears makeup and he has a girl's name. Gee, that's original!" . Seriously, Brian, we're BORED! It's not even fun to rip on you anymore - just go away!
Posted by PAGAN RAYGUN:
DeadSun, I would like to acquire this High Book of Metal Codes. how may i go about that? and ditto on resultion # 165 and your final comment. peace.
Posted by DeadSun : opens the High Book of the Metal Codes:
( ahem ) Here it is, resolution #165 : "nobody, NOBODY shall ape or otherwise outright steal from the image and ideas of the great Alice Cooper, without, at the very least, setting aside a reasonable amount of credit to Mr. Cooper, in place of coming across as some ingenious Promethean trailblazing revolutionary, bearing fruits which have never before been tasted by mortal humans." ( end quote ) Marilyn Mansion is a two-bit, Alice Cooper knock-off--- Jesus, even his F'N NAME is a knock-off of the ideas behind the name "Alice Cooper"!
Posted by GREENMUSE:
he should have called it a day after antichrist superstar,at least then he was tolerable.someone please tell him he isnt scary anymore,and that he is just sort of goofy.
Posted by Hobo:
He actually sounded pretty intellegent on the Bowling For Columbine docco... but this album says otherwise.
Posted by Trick:
i think he's a bloody idiot.
Posted by Hobo:
Im with the Huh mister, his music used to be tolerable.
Posted by Mr. huh? saying, "My Generation Sucks!":
MM is just a gimmicky shock-monkey and only retarded dorks think that he's a "true artist"
Posted by lucyfurr666:
Finally mtv knows what they are talking about
