Disclaimer: the opinions
expressed are those of the author, not necessarily those of antiMUSIC,
or the iconoclast entertainment group
antiMUSIC is pleased to welcome industry insider Jake Brown to give
us his perspective on topics involving the music business. Jake comes to
us with an impressive resume that not only includes heading his own record
label, but also as an established music biographer with several books under
his belt.
Things haven’t been going very well
for Fred Durst lately, and most of the record industry seems to be pretty
happy about that. Whenever Metal Sludge asks one of Durst’s peers
in their 20 questions series “Who Deserves A Smack in the mouth?”, its
probable the answer will most times be Fred Durst, perhaps beaten out only
by Axl Rose. Ironically, both singers’ bands have several important
things in common, the first being that once each lost a guitar player vital
to the band’s creative backbone, in the case of Limp Bizkit, that being
Wes Borland, and with Guns N’ Roses, Izzy Stradlin, the band thereafter
went downhill quickly. In the case of G n’ R, Axl made the wise decision
to drop off the planet for almost a decade, while young Fred has remained
too much of an ego-maniac to be so strategic, or merciful on those of us
in the industry who could use a break. Let’s face it: Fred Durst
is ANNOYING. His ego is larger than any record sales his band has
experienced in the last few years, and is the most annoying of any rock
frontman’s since Scott Stapp from Creed, and at least Stapp really can
sing and his band still sells millions of records, which makes his conceit
tolerable. Perhaps the most immediately annoying thing about Fred
Durst is his penchant for claiming personal involvement with every woman
he collaborates with professionally (a claim they all emphaticly deny)-
Britney Spears, Halle Berry, and Thora Birch of American Beauty fame
to name a few. More fundamentally however, Durst represents everything
I HATE about rock bands when they’ve long past their prime creatively (and
commercially without yet knowing it), but still have one last big budget
album allocation left on their contract, so choose to operate from the
delusion that they’re still on top of the world commercially. In
the case of Axl Rose and the rumored $25 million advance he has controlled
since assuming ownership to the Guns N’ Roses’ name, he has spent the past
6 years in the studio writing and rewriting, recording and re-recording
new material for what is likely to be the last G N’ R record, at least
reflecting an apprehension or anxiety on Rose’s part in terms of how fans
will receive the material.
With that awareness in mind, Rose
has been taking his time, debuting the new band line-up via select live
gigs, and introducing new material in small doses so fans can take the
new sound in a little at a time. Durst, conversely, prefers the shove-it-down-our-throats
approach, to the point where we get more exposure to his annoying, winey
personality than the most avid and rabid Bizkit fan could ever want to
stomach at any one time, let alone in such a large over dosage. One
example of the latter was the grossly self-indulgent MTV Album Launch last
fall the week prior to the release of Bizkit’s first new album since Borland’s
departure, which gave viewers a candid glimpse into the pampered world
in which Durst lives and works, surrounded by Yes-Men, inflated budgets
to match his ego, and delusions of grandeur about sexual encounters with
famous women (all of which have been denied or outright disproven to date
by each lady’s camp). Attempting a weak Tommy Lee-rip off in one
of the Album Launch episodes, Durst went as desperately far, with cameras
rolling, as to claim that he had whisked Britney Spears away on a helicopter
to a romantic weekend getaway. That claim her management quickly
and successfully refuted by producing video and related receipts and related
evidence which showed Spears was on the other side of the country that
weekend playing a concert. In another pathetic scene, Durst showed
up at the Sundance Film Festival amidst his alleged affair with Spears,
and actually ran into her on screen randomly, where he was met with a quick
kiss on the cheek and a blow-off, and after which he was shown quickly
leaving the festivities to return to LA to worsen his situation by working
on his band’s sad follow-up to 2000’s “Chocolate Starfish and the Hot Dog
Flavored Water”. Upon release, the album quickly flopped at retail,
but that didn’t stop Durst from making a further ass of himself by claiming
that he and actress Halle Berry were involved in a sexual affair because
they shared brief on-screen kiss during the video shoot for “Behind Blue
Eyes” as part of the Gothika Motion Picture Soundtrack. Berry, married
at the time, simply burst out laughing when asked by the press whether
Durst’s rumor had any truth.
Limp Bizkit could not sustain a headlining
arena tour in support of the record, so they took opening (oops, sorry
“co-headlining”) slots with Metallica and Korn to stay playing in front
of big audiences. Durst was so arrogant and flippant during his band’s
live shows that in one case, he was actually sued by 172 Chicago fans who
claimed they were ripped off because Bizkit played only a 17-minute set
before Durst stormed offstage in an Axl-esque tantrum. Reportedly,
Durst lodged anti-gay and sexually explicit insults at the crowd before
storming off stage to boos, and continued to insult the fans and the city
of Chicago offstage, not knowing the microphone was still active.
At press time, Limp Bizkit’s latest release had barely been certified platinum,
selling only 1.2 million copies, a sad performance for an ego and sense
of self-importance as large as Fred Durst’s, not to mention the fact that
Limp Bizkit came nowhere near recouping the money that Interscope Records
spent recording and promoting it.
As recently as May, 2004, rumors were swirling
wildly, excitedly, and credibly that Limp Bizkit had been dropped from
Interscope as a result of the loss the label took on the band’s poor album
sales. Of course, Durst quickly denied it on his band’s website,
but the rumor came from well-placed sources, and therein sounds both credible
and logical. The fact is it happens to everyone, even rock legend
Van Halen was dropped from Warner Bros. formally in 2003 before biting
the bullet and reuniting with frontman Sammy Hagar for a reunion tour and
second Greatest Hits album, and in that case, the deal was a one-off.
Limp Bizkit doesn’t even have enough hits accrued for one Greatest Hits
album, but that doesn’t stop Durst from behaving like he’s on that level.
The bottom line as it relates to Fred Durst is that in Rock n’ Roll, egos
must be qualified by record sales, period. And Fred Durst doesn’t
measure up anymore- perhaps he did when the rap-rock trend was at its peak,
but that sun set long ago, and Limp Bizkit’s potential for creative evolution
beyond that novelty died with Wes Borland’s departure from the group.
The only gain from this massive failure is a big fat write-off for Interscope
Records against the loss, and perhaps a long-overdue relief on the part
of the record industry and fans alike from Fred Durst as he slowly wakes
up to the reality that NO ONE CARES anymore! Frankly, they haven’t
for a long time. The only reason Durst’s record label did this last
time out is because they were contractually obligated to, and without major
label support, and that of much of Limp Bizkit’s now-grown fanbase, I and
many rock fans just like me may finally get what we have been wishing for
for years, and what Fred has been asking for equally- A BREAK!!!
Leave us all alone Fred, GO AWAY, take
a cue from Axl and disappear for at LEAST A DECADE! Honestly, if
you stayed away longer, that would be even better, because the record industry
needs a LONG vacation from you! You’ve got a beautiful kid, Austin,
that was born recently, so spend some time at home raising him, instead
of abandoning him like you did your now-teenage daughter in pursuit of
another professional ego boost. Its over! You have spent enough
time finding yourself as a person and artist, and at the expense of everyone
around you. I know what you’re going to say too, “People are just
jealous because I’m so successful.” You know what Holmes, you’re
not anymore, that’s just the point. And PLEASE, whatever you do,
DON’T go off and try to make a solo album, because let’s face it, that’s
what the last Limp Bizkit album was, and it SUCKED! No one cares
about your pain because, like Billy Corgan or Eddie Vedder, you have NOTHING
legitimate to complain about, you’ve had every opportunity most musicians
only dream about, and you blew it dude! And the most important point
in this rant is to point out that you’re NOT Axl Rose, or Eddie Vedder,
or Billy Corgan, who could afford to rant and complain about the personal
challenges that accompanied their popularity because they were the cream
of rock’s crop- legitimate icons in the making, wherein fans were willing
to tolerate it because their music was consistently top notch, and they
all outlasted their first wave of popularity on that basis only.
You were given that chance with your most recent album, and you BLEW IT!
In this business, there is one universal truth, you’re only as big as your
last project, and following that logic, you make no sense to the music
business right now! So do one of two things: either GO AWAY for a
while, or swallow your pride and go throw yourself at Wes Borland’s feet
and do some sincere begging, and maybe he’d come back and your band would
then have ONE MORE SHOT. The bottom line is we’re not willing to
give it to you alone!
.
.
Shameless Plug: In June, 2004,
my next two books will be released via Colossus/Amber Books- “Your Body’s
Calling Me: The Life and Times of R. Kelly”, and “Ready to Die: The Story
of Biggie Smalls”. Both books will be available at all conventional
retail outlets (Barnes & Noble, Borders, etc.), both titles can also
be pre-ordered at amazon.com, and all related online retailers, as well
as via www.amberbooks.com.
Posted by Jake Brown is an idiot:
Maybe the next story that you do, you can make your sources visible. Britney spears admitted to working on songs with durst. Thora Birch denied it? Have you ever seen the eat you alive video? Nobody cares about fred ? then why would you write this terrible piece of journalism? probably because your a no name who is trying to get noticed. Where is your "reliable source" that interscope was going to drop bizkit? Interscope records has always been 100% in bizkit's corner. Maybe thats why they made durst a vice president. Fred thinks he's on a greatest hits level? thats why he said he was not in support of it, and the labels were forcing him. The greatest hits is not even coming. Check your $hit- get in line with the all the limp bizkit haters. Rock is dead, and they are going to bring it back. What Axl Rose has failed to do.
Posted by Fly:
AXL ROSE: please come back! I'm tired of Britney!!!!
Posted by mega maggot:
slipknot fukkin rule so why the hell is fred durst sayin sh!t about them and they're fans e.g. me. He's just fukked in the head if ya ask me i think slipknot should find his ass an fukkin shoot it coz nobody's gonna miss the bastard anyway.
Posted by Fred:
I dont hate weblogs or this commercial internet freedom of speech bullsh*t - i hate stupid people - so miss piggy and all the rest of you fagg0t gits - i simply hate you!
Posted by Kalmah:
How come LB fans cannot spell correctly ?
Posted by Mental Method:
by the way "Drizzle" it spelled LIMPBIZKIT
DUMBASS
Posted by Mental Method:
F*ck all you a$$holes who think Fred Durst sucks.just becuz u suck duzint mean he does.the music kicks ass,and he's hot.SO F*CK OFF and stop hattin' on Fred.
BITCHES
Posted by Drizzle:
amazing thats freds failer in a nut shell love it. he does need a break FOREVER to all you maggots out there F*CK LIMP BISCKET
Posted by Miss Piggy:
Complaining, attention seeking, and exageration are token signs of a fading star. Or maybe an already faded star. Where the hell is Slayers new CD?
Posted by Miss Piggy:
When i clicked on the article i knew what i was getting. Why bother posting a comment backing Durst on an article clearly expressing a general lack of respect and sickening towards the guy (ape, businessman, whatever). Why go on to a Korn fan website and post 'Korn Sucks' or post 'Metallica Sucks' on their official website. Why not go into the Bronx and scream the N-word as loud as possible to every black guy we see. Let's start a fight with everybody that comes across our path just for the sake of flexing or muscles or some other retarded self gratifying exercise. Or maybe you dumb fukking morons should just go click on a different article that isn't bashing you're idol, Fred Retard Durst, so your opinion may actual be read and considered for one brief moment. I don't hate rock stars, i don't hate nice cars, I love banging chicks, i respect success. I just hate stupid people. Fred Durst is stupid. I hate Fred Durst.
Posted by MAGGOT:
That was f*cking awesome
Posted by jj:
PERFECT -- well put -- that's it
Posted by Hobo:
Mr. Jefferson.
Posted by Tirade:
Hobo - from what I can see, you would hang me! I dare say you would be worse than our 'friend' E.T. and putting my link on here would just be asking for ridicule!
Posted by Wacko jacko:
sha-mon, hee hee, ba di da dern-ah!
Posted by Hobo:
Umm... then give me the site link then?
Posted by Tirade:
E.T. aah, how right you are - I presumed too much! Its obvious that you have a wonderful use of the english language, but alas that does not prove your intelligence. I have no idea what you do with the rest of your time, but from all the posts you have written here you seem to be a very negative person. Your posts are also normally quite long, so i assume that a certain amount of your time is spent thinking of some put-down or another??? Hell, what I call 'substance' and what you call substance in neither here nor there - I was referring to your comments on this site only... not you as a person. You take offence too easily! I have my own site that I use to express myself, but would be terrified to give it to someone like you - god only knows what insults would come flying out of that dictionary you swallowed! Anyway, I am sure that my comments dont meant jack in your life, so I will leave it at that.
Posted by E.T. LaMort:
Tirade: Again with the presumptions, I see. First you presume that I have a lot of intelligence, such an elusive and multi-faceted as this concept is, based on a couple of posts over the internet. And then secondly, you presume I allocate all my time and effort into things of little or no value whatsoever(which is, again, very subjective definition). I could ask you what, exactly, are "things of substance", but I shan't. Because then I would be going against what I just said in my second to previous sentence.
RidahNY: A) If you have such aversion to discussion, then perhaps you should refrain from posting altogether? Or do you feel such overbearing need to express your thoughts on a public forum for some subconscious sense of self-validation, but do not wish to see them challenged by opposing statements? B) Nevertheless, that is what you are not-so-subtly projecting to the world here, with your posts. Whatever excuse you wish to mask this behaviour with, is completely irrelevant.
If you are struggling with a way to phrase your comments, may I suggest a more specific and concrete approach?
"Fun" is a very subjective concept that should not be carelessly objectified, in the manner you have done here. You have imposed your perception of "fun" upon the others as an objective truth, thusly homogenizing not only its dynamic definition, but subsequently also cognitive and behavioural patterns of every human.
I believe Hobo has deftly presented how varying such a definition truly is.
If you truly estimate the level of a person's intelligence(or lack of it) by the length of their posts, then I can only pity you.
As far as weddings are concerned…I cannot speak for anyone else, but I do not allow emotions, whether they be negative or positive, to have free rein over my actions and reactions. So(again, speaking only for myself), no, hearing a song I dislike, whether the setting be private or public, does not cause me to have an apoplectic insult from the intensity of my reaction.
Hobo, on the other hand, would most likely provide a more involving display.
Posted by Hobo:
Heh, irade.
Posted by Hobo:
irade unless you're a close personal friend of La Mort's, I dare say you're in no position to comment. Ridah, you're typing like a freakin' retard. I don't think even 'nine page rants' could save you from your innate tardary. Anyways, I'd be that super-cool guy at a wedding - you know, the one downing VB's and smoking jays and brawling with the blood spraying everywhere and then like, I'd start beating people like you over the face with the DJ's expensive equipment, and then you'd walk away at the end of the night with the DJ's calve bone lodged in your eye socket - not for any real reason but just for the hell of it. Now after reading that, how can you honestly say I don't know 'fun'? 'Artistic expression argument'? What argument? Do you comprehend the concept of 'art' over shallow mass produced shyte? To me - and evidently many more - you sound like a stupid asshat with piss poor taste in music and choice in social activities. And speaking of funeral's - if I don't get some prime death/thrash metal blasted at my funeral I'm gonna be smackin' some heads in hell.
Posted by 5Against1:
Wedding music is supposed to be awful, it's part of the tradition. The bride and groom ALWAYS have tin ears when it comes to picking "their song". I don't cry at weddings, I wait until the reception when the lame dj decides to play some cuts from "70's AM Gold" or some other atrocity. I've never heard any Bizkit at a wedding reception though, nor any funerals come to think of it.
Posted by RidahNY:
I'm not going to answer any of the questions listed below because I don't have to. A) I'm too lazy so I don't feel like it and B) I honestly think having a good time has nothing to do with masking insecurities or trying to live vicariously through Fred Durst's success (or whatever you claim that I am doing.) I was just trying to explain the other side of things. Being that I can't generalize anymore (since I was told not to below) I don't even know how to phrase my comments. Some people like to have fun and some people don't. To me, you alll sound like a bunch of crybabies and use the whole "artistic expression" argument as a vehicle to be mad at the world/mainstream public. I'd love to see some of you people at a wedding. You'd probably storm out of the reception hall and throw a hissy fit because the DJ isn't playing the music that YOU want to hear. I mean seriously... if I got p*ssed everytime I heard something that I considered to be bad music I'd have to stay inside of my house. Whether you want ot believe it or not, music is still a form of entertainment. This must be disheartening since only sellout losers like myself want to have fun. I should learn to write 9 page rants like E.T. Then I could show how smart I am!
Posted by Tirade:
E.T. sounds like he has a lot of intelligence, just a pity he doesnt channel it into things of substance.
Posted by E.T. LaMort:
Why, thank you, Hobo. I do strive to open as many doors to deviance as I can.
Posted by Yo:
"make hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars a night doing it" Sure they do... idiot.
Posted by Hobo:
LaMort... did you know you're crazy - and not bad crazy - good crazy. Like a super-intelligent crazy.
Posted by 5Against1:
Fred Durst may drive a Mercedes, but at the end of the day he's still Fred Durst. I'd rather drive a Hyundai and NOT be Fred Durst. BTW, Fred's latest fantasy conquest is Avril, WTF is he thinking? At least Britney's a hard body. Maybe Fred thinks being linked to Avril will give him punk "cred", LMFAO!!! 14:56...14:57...14:58...
Posted by E.T. LaMort:
RidahNY: Please refrain from including others when you are projecting your desires into the collective subconscious. There is no "we" that wish for anyone's money, just as there is no "we" who are jealous of anyone's so-called success. It is YOU, who is jealous of a specific artist, and it is YOU, who wishes he(she?) had the money this person does. So do not resort to any kind of "collective safety" when you feel uncomfortable about expressing your frustrations and repressed desires. The same applies for the laughable presumption that you may be privy to what have and have not all the individuals in this virtual assembly of yours experienced. I understand it may feel safer if you live under the (erroneous) assumption that everyone else is also at the same level of spiritual, mental and physical development as yourself, and that their achievements do not surpass yours. Misery loves company, and all that. But really, you are only blatantly displaying your insecurity and suppressed fears in this manner. One more thing; before you decide to scold me for criticising you – this was not a critique, it was a friendly advice. On a related note, you mentioned your "guilty pleasures". Aside from the fact that such a term is complete idiocy; you either like something or you don't, and if you feel guilt for being scorned for liking something, then that only shows what a weak-willed individual you are. What is even more interesting, however, is that you openly confess to dislike these bands very much, yet you still go and listen to them play. For three hours. I seem to be at a loss here. Do you hope to somehow grasp the secrets of their noble success just by being in their vicinity? Do you expect that their music(which you cannot stand) will miraculously unlock a concealed part of your brain, which will then enable you to heft yourself to a higher level of existence, laced with success and instant transcendence?
Aside from all that, I have a strong suspicion that you may actually be purposefully aggravating tensions with your single-minded posts, and are most likely engaged in the venerable art of trolling. And you still haven't answered my previous inquiries.
Posted by Hobo:
Brilliant work. Denouncing the entire notion of 'art' in the name of 'girls and money.' Let me ask you a few questions: just because so many popular artists are bastardizing music genres, does that make it right? Just because so many artists compromise their artistic integrity to get famous, does that mean all artists need to compromise their integrity to become famous? Just because you choose to listen to god-awful self-serving sellouts who bring nothing to the proverbial table, does that mean we have to? The answer to all three questions should be painfully obvious: No. Are you now suggesting that we ('we' meaning everyone who disagrees with your idiotic posts) don't realize the payoffs sh*t-eating sodomite sellouts achieve by selling out? If so, you're a moron. We are the minority who prefer substance over image - who prefer art over regurgitated trends. We don't care what car Durst drives - hell, I think attempts at portraying your worth through brand name material goods is both pathetic and retarded. Who cares what we drive? How does pulling stupid generalisations like THAT out of your arse help you in any way? The point is, Fred will never, ever have our respect or our support - and neither will you. Realize that we're not against the successful and the famous, we're against the talentless, the derivative and the image-orientated trends - consequently your argument has no worth here.
Posted by RidahNY:
If you think me liking 50 Cent and Motley Crue is bad, you should see where I spend a lot of my time on weekends. A big guilty pleasure of mine is to hang out in Jersey rockclubs to watch bands that play 3 hours worth of cover songs. They play the worst songs imaginable and I can't stand listening to them. Why do they play all of these crap songs? Because they make hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars a night doing it and of course, GIRLS!!! You guys seriously don't get it. This whole artistic nonsense is all fine and good if you want to starve to death, hence the term "starving artist" but if you want the goods, you gotta sell out. If you sell out unapologetically it's really not that bad. You just claim that "it's who you are." Fred Durst drives a Mercedes. I doubt any of you do.
Posted by Hobo:
So far you've called 50 Cent 'tight', you've defend Fred Durst and admitted to liking Motley Crue... Mate, why do you even bother? I don't have control over the news item links that are around asshat. Evidently there is a problem with being a good businessman and a horrible musician - it seems people tend to hate you a result. The only reason why these people are successful is because of the plethora of morons out there who actually buy the crappy marketing ploys he pitches. I mean, hell, you're supporting Motley so you're feeding the very same god-awful cycle. And no, I don't buy this whole 'like a car wreck' analogy - I pass over numerous news articles about Sum 41, Blink, Linkin Park, Manson and so on daily. Don't try and make out that you didn't consciously decided to click on the link. You're a liar, you're a moron - and no one cares about what you have to say. You bore and sicken me.
Posted by 5Against1:
1999? That was the year of Durst. I remember a bunch of guys from work leaving early to drive over to Woodstock '99 so they could see Fred Durst. I made a rare good decision and decided not to go. They said it was like 150 degrees on the tarmack and a 16oz. Pepsi was going for $5. HAHAHA! Gee, I wonder why there was a riot? HAHAHA!
Posted by RidahNY:
Oh my God, I called it! I knew some moron was going to use that obvious and boring comeback. "Whaa, whaa, whaa, you went and clicked on it so you're a hypocrite by saying that everyone else is stuck in 1999 and you're not. I'm so smart, I caught that!" Get off your highhorse buddy. You know as well as everyone else why I clicked on it. It's like driving past a really bad 5 or 6 car pileup on I95. You can't help but look. I figured I'd read it (already knowing what was going to be said), comment on how bad it is, and then argue with you idiots afterwards. Which is of course what I'm doing now.
Posted by Max:
And what was the first link you clicked on (out of the hundred or so on the frontpage) when you came back after all this time? The article you read and felt you needed to comment on? Why did you not bother with any of the others (non-Limp Bizkit) articles? Seems that you are just as guilty of not moving on as anyone else.
Posted by RidahNY:
First off, I am NOT a Limp Bizkit fan and never was. Anyone who remembers the days back in 2002 when I posted 79 times a day on this site, all I ever did was criticize Fred Durst. I couldn't stand him back then but have grown indifferent to him now. I'm into all kinds of different music these days so talking about the stars of 2000 and 2001 really just makes me roll my eyes in disgust wishing you people would get on to something else. I know everyone is going to be like "well if you hate everything so damn much then what DO you like?" It's really none of your business what I listen to but I like bands ranging from Van Halen to The Mars Volta to Cursive to Motley Crue. I listen to everything and THAT includes rap music so the closed-minded argument won't work here. What I was trying to say earlier is this... You're claiming that Limp Bizkit is responsible for a "long-dead trend." If that's true, then WHY is there continuously some type of link in the middle of the antimusic.com homepage with Fred Durst's name in it? It's played out... get over it. I think everyone is just mad because he's gotten to where he is with minimal talent and has gotten all of the rewards. Also, there really is no harm in being a great businessman and not an artist. Look at Gene Simmons. We all wish we had his money. His music is garbage and his band is SO overrated but he's rich and has banged more women than any of us. All of the well respected and critically acclaimed bands these days HAVE to be thinking the same thing. They would never ever admit to it in a million years but I know damn well that the guys from Sparta and some other bands that the hip teenagers love are wishing they could drop the "we're so artistic" facade and get laid all night in a bed covered in $50 bills.
Posted by Hobo:
You're goddam right I'm insulting you. I read that entire opening page of Fred's blog - it feels as if my mind is being bored out by an army of weevils. I'm sad to hear you don't posess the attention span required to read a simple post - a true telltale sign of a Durst follower. Ironic that you tell LaMort he should 'take the time to read what has been posted'. Regardless of whatever social / political / cultural issues you have in South Africa - Limp Bizkit is still pathetic. I refuse to be distracted by your attempt to draw out some pity.
Posted by Joey Jordison:
What ever Corey (of Slipknot) says is true : Fred Durst is a great businessman but not an artist.
Posted by Tibet:
E.T. Lamort, if you would take the time to read what has been posted instead of trying to sound ultra-intelligent you will notice that I didnt put anyone down, musician or otherwise. I was trying to express my feelings as to the negativity of others. Oh hell, I am wasting my time here. So I bid you all farewell from South Africa - we have more serious things to worry about over here, than your insulting, bombastic and arrogant attitudes.
Posted by Tibet:
Hobo, I got halfway through your post and almost fell asleep. So here is a reply to what I bothered to read... peoples opinions are completely up to them and I have no problem with that but dont bunch us all together. If I think Fred's bogs hold meaning (if your attention span was longer you would have read his other bogs, not just the one about the dog) then that is up to me. You were also going on about 1.2 million people hanging on to a long-dead trend - bit of a contridiction dont you think??? It blows my mind how people can have so much for someone they dont even know - is it really worth it?? That was what my orginal post was all about. But hey, if you feel the need to insult me as well, thats up to you. I am a Limp fan, I enjoy their music.
Posted by ??:
Is Tibet really Lith trolling? I can't take this clown serious.
Posted by Mistress:
Well said, E.T. LaMort. I pity any tard who had failed to recognise after two years that antimusic contains more than one article.
Posted by E.T. LaMort:
I shall refrain from commenting on the preposterous "sale equals quality" argument, as well as on this compulsive obsession some people seem to have with the negative opinions of others about something they like.
However, the most amusing thing about these vehement defenders of free expression and proselytizers of tolerance, is how they manage to negate the credibility of their crusade with oxymoronic statements – in the same paragraph. I beg your pardon, Tibet and RidahNY, where is your vaunted tolerance and lack of sick hatred when Scott Stapp and Axl Rose are in question?
From which unmentionable orifice did you pull the exclusive right to criticise artists at your leisure, the one that you so fiercely deny others, out of fear they might target an artist you actually enjoy?
Do tell.
Posted by Hobo:
'Platinum is platinum' is it? LB is on a MASSIVE downward slide - but when someone has as huge a fanbase as Fred *DID*, it takes a while for the drones to work out just how sh*tty his music is. You've still got those 1.2 million hanging on to a long-dead trend. I hate Axl Rose with all my soul. I was never a fan of GNR - and THATS why his 10 year absence is a very, very good thing - because as soon as the poo pilfering egomaniac FINALLY releases his crappy new album he'll be all over the radio, the tv and the papers once more. Ridah, why is this the worst article you ever read? Because you're sick of people talking about Fred? Is that because you're a fan, or because you're just plain sick of hearing about the ape? I'll agree I'm sick of hearing about the capped tard day in and day out, but this was still a well-written - and evidently valid - article. Oh, and Ridah, you refer to 'doing some research next time' - research for what exactly? What is there that requires research? What did YOU feel was so inaccurate about the article? Nothing? Everything? No doubt your response will be rendered unintelligble by your innate tardary. And look - now you've got this Tibet asshat posting links to Durst's blogs! I hope you're happy with yourself. Tibet, Fred's newest post tells us he wants suggestions to name his puppy. Gee, how deep. He really is a well rounded human being - it's just that media haters skew his image. Clearly. Take this post: 'am amazed at the things i see and hear in the news about our world. i feel like i am in a bad robocop movie. the headlines seem seem so unreal. the chaos and decay of a species unfolding before our very eyes.' - How ironic! I'd say Fred's popularity and celebrity status is more than indicative of mankind's fall from grace. But seriously, that post just illustrates that Fred doesn't even have the mental capacity to actually overlook media propaganda. The decay of society? Clearly the terrorist-related media fear-mongering has Fred a-scared. Though I must say - how deep are the lyrics to 'Eat You Alive' or 'Break Stuff'? You people have just induced me to violently vomit all over my computer. I hate you all from the bottom of my heart. If you are an LB fan, PLEASE DO NOT POST ANYTHING. You're too pathetic for me to even converse with. There is no defense for being a fan of LB in this day and age. If you don't like this site then try mtv.com. Oh - and Lostprophets and Thrice Ridah? LB - Break Stuff and LP - Start Something. An interesting parallel?
Posted by Tibet:
BRAVO RidahNY! Today was the first time I visited this site and was appalled! RidahNY is the only person who has made any sense whatsoever - perhaps I will return here again one day and see if he has anything else to add.
RidahNY, I am not sure if you are a Fred Durst fan or not but check out his blog www.xanga.com/americanalien and see that he has depth as well as great music.
It was a pleasure to read your post!
Posted by RidahNY:
I've been away from this site for almost 2 years now because it was the same ranting nonsense about how bad Fred Durst suckks, how much smarter everyone else on this site is since they're such big metalheads etc. It got old and I never once came to the site since about July or August of 2002. This rant backs up my point. Why did I even read it? I guess I'm bored now since it's raining out and have absolutely nothing better to do than to waste 10 minutes reading this. It's the same old crap. "Fred Durst's 15 minutes should run out." 15 minutes? He's been a big name in rock since about 1998. I didn't know that 6 years in the spotlight was the equivalent to someone experiencing 15 minutes of fame. Whether you like it or not, Fred Durst is still a major rockstar. As if this wasn't already bad enough you're insinuating that 1.2 million records sold is bad. Platinum is platinum! Nobody is ever really written off by the record companies until they fall below the Gold mark of 500,000 units sold. Michael Jackson's Greatest Hits album sold 1.2 million copies. FOR HIM, that's bad but not for a band like Limp Bizkit. Kids still go to the shows and have a good time the same way 15 year olds in 1999 (who are now 20) did back then. If you want to complain about a rockstar pick somebody else. There's plenty of others to b*tch about. Also, you're talking about Axl Rose's inactivity as if it's a good thing! Are you an idiot? This guy ruined one of the best rockbands ever along with his own career. You're acting like being nonexistent for a decade is a good decision? That's so ridiculous and makes me assume you're not a GN'R fan because if you were, you'd still be mad at Axl. The last and final offense you made was saying Scott Stapp can actually sing. There's so many bands doing well these days who actually have good singers like Thursday, Thrice, Lost Prophets etc. and you're claiming that this fake Eddie Vedder clone can sing? This is the worst article I've ever read. Do some research next time and get a new topic.
Posted by Tibet:
Jake, it seems to me that you have more than enough anger to blow you head off! Why do you feel that you have the right to speak about any human being like this? If you dont like Durst, the music or the band, that is your decision but man, the hate you spew over the net is sick! Grow up and enjoy life instead of running your mouth off - its a choice to watch / listen (or not) to what you want, so make the choice! I am not too sure as to how accurate your facts are either his sons name is DALLAS (or was that an attempt at humor on your behalf?).
Tolerance man! Learn some tolerance! You will be a happier person
Posted by me.:
yyou aer awesome.
maybe less CAPITALS
Posted by l0th4r:
The article says it all man. BTW, on somethingawful.com around a month ago ran their "awful link of the day" as being fred durst's xanga site. not sure if it is...but just in case, i left him the link to this article and a nice sentiment of my very own...without eprops i might add.
Posted by guru:
ding dong the witch is dead. Hooray!
Posted by Hobo:
True but so many icons need to be brought back to reality.
Posted by Loraye:
Um... To say Eddie Vedder has nothing legitimate to complain about...? that has to be the worst example you can think of - Eddie Vedder is a genius & if you were actually a fan of Pearl Jams music - youd understand 80% of the time what Eddie was complaining about was politics - why not pick on Rage Against the Machine then? to pick on Eddie Vedder is pretty pathetic in my opinion, hes an icon & what every rock "star" should try to be
Posted by Bun's N Noses:
Durst has discovered and produced a few popular bands if im not mistaken, Puddle of Mudd being one. I think that much of his ego comes from this as of lately. Hes kind of a has been rock star turned cocky buisnessman.
Posted by Hobo:
aG you are officially my hero. If you could throw us an email at thewinterofyourdiscontent@hotmail.com I would much appreciate it. I've got a few things I want to discuss with you.
Posted by dreibel:
I picked Milhouse because let's face it, Milhouse is a loser geek who thinks he's cool when he's really annoying (though to be fair he was the one who helped Bart bring out his bad-boy tendencies). But using Manson's bully analogy, I think BoBo would be more Kearney than Nelson. After all, Kearney's an ADULT and he's still in grade school alongside Jimbo and Dolph!
Posted by Hobo:
Gimme aG, I demand it. It's for the good of humanity.
Posted by aG:
Jake, if that was Fred it would have had bad grammar and spelling. Although, he did send me a hate email once which is really funny. Maybe I'll post it here.
Posted by Jake:
If that was really Fred Durst, and he called me HOLMES, a term I used in smart-ass jest in my article, then you my friend have just further validated my position. GO AWAY! You're not from the ghetto, you're from white-trash florida (which is fine, but don't try to act like Method Man just cause you rapped with him), your not a rapper, you have no street credibility that I have ever head of, EMINEM dissed you at the MTV Music Awards, etc. etc. You have NO LOVE in the hip hop community any more than you do in your own world of crappy music! I am dissing you because someone always should be, until a loud concert of fred-haters have drowned out your wining to the point where you FINALLY just disappear! My column wasn't designed to diss you, just give you some much-needed advice!
Posted by Anuj:
Anyone seen MADtv's aprody of Limp Bizkit? Will Sasso as a fat frat-boy Fred, a ballerina as Wes...... well, you gotta see it. Definitely one of the funniest things I've seen. That was Emmy-worthy. Captures them in their true light.
Posted by Fred D:
Why you dissin' me Holmes?
Posted by Hobo:
Filter? Eww.
Posted by fluffy87:
honestly, I still like his latest album. I admit that it sounds like at times that Freddy is trying to be all hard rock and cool (trying to impress borland) but still, I can like the music without liking the pompus ass that composes it (anyone like filter?...nuff said)
Posted by 5Against1:
Durst is a product of his era. When "bands" have "musicians" who play the turntable, it should come as no surprise that wet lipped idiots like Durst can get a shot, or two. He did however introduce "agreeance" into the American lexicon.
Posted by Hobo:
And Severed I think ol' Jakey pointed out that Wes was the single credible creative element in the band, and when he left Durst was exposed for the flailing, idiotic ape he truly is. Try 'reading' the entire article.
Posted by Hobo:
I'm sorry I made you cry 'stuck in a house'. Try Johnson & Johnson's 'No More Tears.'
Posted by sEveReD:
well i don't care what's doing Fred Durst now. He is worhty enough for that he have done. So you shoudn't spit on him only because money mede him be comersial. sorry if there are some mistakes in my english but i was't a good student at school cause i used to listen fred durst's first songs and i can tell you to stop saying nothing.
Posted by agreed:
great article.
Posted by Laughing out loud:
Nice Simpson's analogy, but wouldn't he be more of a Nelson (ala Manson's comment) than Milhouse. Hopefully BoBo's 15 minutes are up and we won't be subjected to any further idiocy from him, even if he could get Borland back in the band, I don't think it would help.
Posted by dreibel:
Fred Durst (aka BoBo) deserves every brickbat to be flung at him. Especially his arrogance - remember when he claimed that Bizkit was "just like Queen" all becuase "Eat You Alive" contained a TEMPO change. Sorry, BoBo , but Queen had something you lack - TALENT. The only thing you have in common is that both bands have a singer named Fred, and Freddie Mercury had more talent in his pinkie than Durst could ever have. Even Korn, who were partially responsible for getting Bizkit where they were, now wash their hands of Bobo, saying, it was ALL A MISTAKE! Poor Fred - he thinks he's Bart Simpson, when in reality to those around him he's just Milhouse.
Posted by Anuj:
You know what really ticks me off about Fred Durst? Marilyn MAnson said it right: He's the same trendy guy in highschool who bullied you, beat you up called you a fag etc., but is now trying to market HIMSELF as the outcast/outsider. Also credible is a Corey Taylor comment: Fred Durst is by no means an artist. He is just a businessman, an obnoxious one at that.
Posted by stuck in a house:
Great read, one thing im goin to miss about fred is all the people ranting about him. this writer makes up for all the sh!t hobo is allowed to post. good one Antimusic.
Posted by Chuck DiMaria:
Nice job, Jake. :) (Now I gotta work harder or you're gonna make me look bad!)
Posted by Hobo:
Brilliantly written and ever-so true. Cheers.