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Top
5 Music Debates
Here we are, the beginning of another year.
Where does the time go? Seems like only yesterday it was 1995. Looking
ahead one thing is certain, as in the past we will have our fair share
of music debates happening here at antiMUSIC. So I thought it might be
fun to take a look at the raging debates that have happened here over the
past five years and have some more discussions on these topics. If there
is one I overlooked, have a go at posting your own music debate topic in
the Fan Speak section below. Cheers and Happy New Year! - aG
5. Is rap really music?
4. Is MTV ruining music?
3. Singers who dont write their
own music cant be taken seriously.
2. Did Kurt Cobain commit suicide
or did Courtney Love have something to do with his death?
And
the Number One Music debate
Which band is a sellout
this month?
Your
turn, what do you think?
Fan
Speak:
Posted by dush bag:
u suck
Posted by Rob:
Funny how people can say rap is not music, when all you hear from a 1001 different "rock bands" is constant shredding, screaming or them trying to create a sound that would best describe the impact that shrapnel has on someone's face. Get a grip - it all sounds the same, just like most rap music - although the UK rap scene is by far the better background than across the pond, as artists like 50 Cent are ruining rap with their commercialised "songs".
Posted by dj girl:
9i can sing but u re dumb
Posted by Rap Is Not Music:
In the end, you get something that can masquerade as music - but it's creation, the way it came about - is so utterly stupid - rarely if ever coming from a band, or original instrument players. They cant play, or sing - so they "rap" over existing music - and then claim it as their own. Its that simple.
Posted by Athena:
Kurt did not kill himself!!!There is entirely too much evidence showing that there was fowl play in his death.I dont think that Courtney herself actually killed him, she hired someone to do it.The guy who came out and said that he knew who killed Kurt was mysteriously hit my a train like 3 days after.Courtney Love is INSANE!Kurt wasnt making as much money and was worth more dead then alive....and of course Courtney knew this.I have one theory (that might be alittle far fetch but...) Well Courtney role model had always been Nancy Spungen. And we all know the story of Sid and Nancy.I think that Courtney is/was crazy enough to believe that if she killed Kurt that Nancy could have her revenge.I know its hard to believe but you never know. And in all seriousness we probably wont ever know what really happened to him,the police are refusing to open the case.People jsut say that all the crazy Nirvana/Kurt fans just cant get over the fact that he's dead.But they need to take the time to read some of the evidence supporting him being murdered and then make judgement.Oh!Also whoever said that Courtney tried to save him in the "Rome suicide" may need to think that over again.I've read up on his death alot, and I believe that that was Courtneys first attempt to kill him.Yes she did call 911....but 8 hours after she first found him unconcious.Also there are pictures of her in the ambulance with Kurt and the medics...she has a full face of make up on.If your husband who you "loved so much" was basically dead would you wait 8 hours and be worried about how you looked.Only if you wanted him dead.Plus Kurt wanted to leave Courtney she was power/money hungry.She had a motive.Even if we never do find out what really happened to Kurt his music will always live on.He was the Godfather of Grunge!!!He was an amazing and powerful song writer and singer!R.I.P Kurt Cobain!!!
Posted by Shay:
I think that music is an opioion a feeling so no one can judge it so everyone who walks around thinking that just because they listen to a certain type of music dosent mean that the whole world had to listen to it.. personally i hate rap because i just hate the sound of it but all my friends like it and im not gunn judge them about it music is a style do don't judge this world is already filled with judgemental people so make ur self a good person and let people live there own life.
Posted by Nadia:
rap sucks in general!! and come on over stoner!! kick my ass!! hell have your bf do it..i don't care...someone has to tell it to you straight! rap is nothing but same lyrics different beat..and they swear non-stop, because they think they are all big and bad..got news for you...THEIR NOT!!!! and MTV is not ruining music...except for the fact they don't play the whole damn song! singers who don't write theri stuff...should be shot!! and Courtney did have something to do with his death...look up old news papers, and old online thingy's...they say it out and open!! and must i say this...RAP IS NOT MUSIC!!! NO ONE CAN RHYME!!!
Posted by Ggggg gee unit:
yo dizzle. wat up in hurr? ma man eminem aint got sh*t . all u blingas tell ur mama im aftea her. RAP MUSIC IS PIMP PIMMP nutttin .. so go f*ck ur hoes gangsataaaa
Posted by Yaskolka:
He may had done it by his self, but I'm almost sure,that had something to do with his death.
Posted by dada:
should a musiscian be sued for what otehr peopel are doing since they listened to their music
Posted by Stoner:
i think rap is great al those ppl who say rap is not i will kick their ASS or i will get ma bf michel to kick ur ass u stuped
Posted by Big Cholla:
Attended the Clay Aken/Kelly Clarkson concert in LV last Sat. night. The concert master should be tarred and feathered for the total mismanagement of the sound system. The band was way too loud specially the drummer. The overall sound was above the pain threashold. It made for a terrible concert if you are into good voices.
Posted by Camisha:
People really need to stop saying that rap isn't music. It's like saying that rock isn't music, because of all the screeching going on. I do admit that some rappers have given rap music a bad name,but why is it that rap, hip-hop or any other black influenced musicc always get dissected by white bigots,i don't see them making forums and blaming rock music about the increase in suicide attempts and actual suicides; they blame guns and drugs and violence on black music just because it speak the truth about institutionalised racism and poverty that many blacks and minorities have to endure. Rock music causes alot of things but that's all hush hush. I'm an ecclectic individual when it comes to music, the music I listen to all depends on my mood. Rap and Hip-hop music calms me down because I feel the pain of the artist performing their songs. They cuss women, which is bad because they have a psycological problem when it comes to women being strong. If a woman is strong about her sexuality then she a ho, if she is indepedent then she cold and frigid, the problem does not come from us women it comes from men who sow wild oats all over town and leave women to bring their sons up in this world,these rappers do not respect women because they didn't see it when they were growing up. What they saw was men taking disadvantage of women and they think that it's ok to cuss women about them being hos and what ever else that comes to mind.
Posted by greatncscotty:
i think the band that is the most sellout is a tie between good charlotte and simple plan...they both suck ass and what is up with that boys and girls song....they call them selves punk... simple plan is too busy writing lyrics that rhyme but make no sense and good charlotte is too busy just sucking...why do they bother
Posted by illuminati:
ell if you think it is rubbish you clearly dont listen to rappers like Tupac or Mos Def you listen to 50 cent or Eminem. But do you guys think rap incites the youth to be violent?
Posted by SIMON RITCHIE:
RAP MUSIC IS NOT MUSIC. IT'S VERY UNORIGINAL AND LACKS CHARACTER. ANYBODY CAN DO IT. RAP MUSIC HAS BEEN AROUND FOR MANY YEARS NOW AND THE REASON IT IS SO POPULAR NOW IS BECAUSE IT'S A TREND. PEOPLE CAN'T THINK FOR THEMSELVES AND SAY ''I'D RATHER AC/DC OR SOMETHING, YOU LIKE WHAT YOU LIKE AND I'LL LIKE THIS. EVERYBODY IS GUTLESS AND THEY LET PEOPLE TELL THEM WHAT IS COOL. THAT'S WUSSY
Posted by rudi julion:
ive have just read all of the responses about numero 5 is rap really music? and i have to say mr goldfinger had his head on striaght. all the rap on the raido is horrible. i hate it. it gives rap a bad bad name. but if you are going to have an opinion on rap you have to actually listen to rap. not the radio crapo. the undergroud music. uno example jedi mind tricks. they have fresh beats and the actually rap about things. not "rapeing women, making money, and being a thug"... nah nah nah.... blah blah blah... rap sucks..well about you! you dont even bother to listen outside of the radio! you cant jugde something that you know nothing about! just like that old old saying you cant jugde a book by it cover well its true!so all of you dumb little brittny spears and clay aken fans out there.. yeah "back street pride" you too, get educated on the things you be dissing! because your insults are shallow! they meen nothing! .... "word dawgy im outie"
Posted by kubli khan:
RAP IS MUSIC! and thats a fact. people who dont write there own lericals are nothing but a good tone
Posted by shaggy:
girl your my angle
Posted by Kyle:
Ok, I spoke to jesus. He said that Love, not Courtney Love, killed Kurt Cobain. He hated being loved. So he killed himself. Sorry for the confusion
Posted by Kyle:
LOVE KILLED COBAIN! Jesus told me so!
Posted by fleshwound:
courtney killed kurt... dumb beyatch
Posted by Shorty:
For chickenhead and all your rap-doubters out there: It's a joke to say that rap is not to be considered a legitimate form of music. Only someone uninformed would even consider the notion that rapping is only speaking over some kind of beat. Yes, the rap industry has been condemned for its overuse of violent imagery, etc. That is fact, and no one is disputing that. But to say that all rap is about the bling bling or violence is ignorant. What about the rappers telling a story? How about Ja Rule's "lost little girl," which basically tells a story about what a life on the streets can make out of a 15-year old girl? Some rappers are offering an example of the truth, good and bad, of real life. Just because the lyrics are not all about getting your girl back, etc., does not mean that rap is not a form of music. Those of you out there that think rapping doesn't require any skill, have you considered the ear for rhythm this musical medium requires? Can you freestyle? Is it really that easy when you think about it?
Posted by Big Rob:
you guys need to quit getting sayin rap isnt music, i used to say the same sh*t, but until you actually listen to some rap you will never understand it, anyways they got more money your whining a$$
Posted by Shayn:
About MTV- You like music? Turn off your television.
Posted by Serj:
2. After reading extensivly the website www.cobaincase.com, I am baffled by how many things can just be discarded in the Cobain "suicide" case. If Kurt really comitted suicide, why was his missing credit card still being used even though he was dead. And then when his body is found, it abruptly stops being checked. You really have to go there and decide for yourself. There is a massive amount of evidence that this was in-fact a murdur done by courtney love and kurt's "freind" Dylan. Why was this done? Why else, MONEY. Courtney got alot of it and it also help her career ALOT. She is pure evil. I cannot belive this case will not reopen. There is simply too much evidence to rank this case as a petty suicide. The LA and Seattle cops must be really f*ckin dumb to put this sh*t down as a suicide just because there was a gun laying by him. You ask about the suicide note? The note isn't nessesarily talking about suicide. It just explains that he is quitting the band and wants to move out of Seattle. But there are two sets of handwriting. The top part of the note was in Kurt's handwriting, but the bottom part isn't. The bottom part is written in someone else's handwriting and the bottom part of the note is more aggressive and more incredibly vain. Anyway, I beileve that this was a murdur done by courtney love and Kurts freind Dylan to get money and furthur Love's career. Thanks huh for the site tip. See ya
Posted by Serj:
2. After reading extensivly the website www.cobaincase.com, I am baffled by how many things can just be discarded in the Cobain "suicide" case. If Kurt really comitted suicide, why was his missing credit card still being used even though he was dead. And then when his body is found, it abruptly stops being checked. You really have to go there and decide for yourself. There is a massive amount of evidence that this was in-fact a murdur done by courtney love and kurt's "freind" Dylan. Why was this done? Why else, MONEY. Courtney got alot of it and it also help her career ALOT. She is pure evil. I cannot belive this case will not reopen. There is simply too much evidence to rank this case as a petty suicide. The LA and Seattle cops must be really f*ckin dumb to put this sh*t down as a suicide just because there was a gun laying by him. You ask about the suicide note? The note isn't nessesarily talking about suicide. It just explains that he is quitting the band and wants to move out of Seattle. But there are two sets of handwriting. The top part of the not was in Kurt's handwriting, but the bottom part isn't. The bottom part is written in someone else's handwriting and the bottom part of the note is more aggressive and more incredibly vain. Anyway, I beileve that this was a murdur done by courtney love and Kurts freind Dylan to get money and furthur Love's career. Thanks huh for the site tip. See ya
Posted by Serj:
5.no 4.yes 3.correct 2.can't say 1.everything you see on mtv pretty much is.
Posted by huh:
www.cobaincase.com just go there and see.
Posted by jake_glickman:
So you don't take Frank Sinatra, Billie Holliday, or Tony Bennett seriously? None of them wrote their own songs.
Posted by my other name was rejected:
is blink 182 punk, hehe
Posted by Truth:
Well thats easy Limpbizkit are these months year whatever sellouts! is there any doubt in any1s mind. Kurt as good as a musician as he was, was a lil screwed and i don't think courtney had anything to do with it...but then again who could be so selfish as to kill themselve knowing they had that cute lil baby at home who loved em.....it's a mystery!!! anyhow courtney sux!!
Posted by slash:
and almost all the vidoes are the same for rap,the girls girls girls. its' so lame.
Posted by lol:
Maybe people would take rap more seriously if it had something to offer aside from "bling bling" "my bitches and hoes" "bust a cap in her ass" and ending every other line in "yo" because they are too illiterate to come up with words that rhyme. What's with this tight beats thing? Any moron can press play on a drum machine and come up with tight beats and talk stuff crap over that. At least some of them know they are fools or their fans are, just look at Ludicrous, what a perfect name!
Posted by Anthony Sharpe:
Rap isn't music to me b/c every rap song is pretty much about the same EXACT thing drugs , sex , how much money the rapper has , and being a thug. Also they play no instruments which takes more talent making musi or rapping to a computerized beat?
Posted by Sum gurl:
MTV ruins music b/c they take mainsream acts and pretend there underground.
Posted by James :
The problem with rappers like Eminem is that they are purely hypocritical. They constantly insult other human beings, and then get all defensive about what other people think of them. Just read Eminem's arrogant lyrics: `This just in, Britney just dissed Justin She just f**ked Ben, got tit f**ked and dick sucked him I hit harder from the back than Everlast, when he's pluggin Lethal in his f**kin ass' This are the kinds of things Eminem says and then claim are just Jokes: `Fist first with scissors to slit throats of hoes!' `All I wanted to do is rape the bitch and snatch her purse. Come here, bitch! Take this f**king dick! `Bring your bitch, I wanna see if this dick is gonna fit in her!' Enough said.
Posted by eminem:
i guess for all you out there hating on rap music, i say this, opinions are like a$$holes everyone has one, and they usually stink! rap 4-ever baby
Posted by neena e:
all this rap bashing must end. everyone is hating on it because it's not the kind of music they like but it is music and it is a form of self-expression that represents a large group of people. just because you don't know anyone like the rappers you see on MTV that doesn't mean they don't exist. Rap is just like any other genre of music you have to weed through the crap to get to the real artists but don't classify an entire gere by what you see on tv.don't hate ,appreciate or at least respect.
Posted by SubXavier:
Well, most kids today apparently, don't have the attention span to listen to Zeppelin. I don't really like LZ's music (specifically Robert Plant), but it's sure a hell of a lot more meaningful than "I'm Not a Girl, Not Yet a Woman."
Posted by Mr. huh? saying, "My Generation Sucks":
For those of you who don't know, the music industry are the ones mostly ruining music. They focus so much of their promotion and marketing on bands that have nothing but image. They believe that style is more commercially viable than substance despite the fact that they're disproven by the two greatest selling acts of all time being the Beatles and Led Zeppelin.
Posted by zed_gambit:
5 I don't like rap music but I have a respect for it because it is a music style with it's different futures ... 4. Of course it is running music ... but the problem is that it is running the same music over and over until you're brainwashed and become a Britney Spears and N*Suck loving zombie ... 3. I totally agree with that! I think explaining why I thing that is unnecessary ... 2. I don't know about that. I like some of Nirvana's music and respect them for their talents ... 1. Now - deffinately Linkin Park! They are like rock for the N*Suck teenyboppers. And they are not metal!!! Not at all!!!
Posted by brian:
5.i think that rap is an insult to music. to make good music you need good vocals and music , rap has neither. a couple of examples of all around good music are van halen and styx.4 mtv would be great except for one thing. they sell out and play this pop flavor of the week s##t. that is why vh1 rules they show the stuff that passed the test of time.3as long as it has a good sound and ok lirics, i dont care who wrote it.2 who cares nirvana sucks.1 i have to go with the whole metallica napster thing metallica has enough money to buy a small island who cares if people get a few free songs. loosen up it is about the music nat the money.
Posted by [fade]:
5. Rap WAS once a great genre. Rappers sang about the hard life in the gettho and such but now, like someone said at the very beginning of this forum; kids who drop out of school resort to rap in order to get easy money. And I think that the 'hard' life they talk about wasn't something they used to live, it's actually something they're living. They get so much cash they blow it on guns and weed and they get caught and go to jail and they write songs about it. Old skool rappers used to write songs about their childhood and early teen life. It's sad that theres this new genre called 'rap-metal'. It's a great idea when it was done by RATM mainly because the main core of METAL was there (and Tom Morello's guitar playing made sure that the band was unique- he also used more than 3 strings on his guitar). 4. MTV is crap! Stick to VH1. Though I don't get it where I stay, but from what I hear, it plays classic and good modern music. MTV is like every other mainstream company. Give what your target audience wants and you'll make millions. 3. I'll make this one short. Not all singers are good songwriters!!!! If you're in a band, thats a different story because there's more than 1 person involved therefore they should be at LEAST some creativity. If you're a solo singer, you might need creative help from other parties. Thats why singers who are good songwriters usually make it! 2. I was and still am actually a Nirvana fan and I DO want to believe that he was murdered and that the killer would get the worst death possible: getting beaten at least 5 times by every Nirvana fan in the world. But the truth is.. he's dead and like every other mysteries in the world (elvis?? UFO's??), it'll go unsolved. I hate Courtney though..even before Kurt's death.. she's a slut! 1. Sellout?? CREEEEEED!! I used to like them in their earlier albums but after reading their interviews.. they're off my 'like' list. I quote Tremonti (from Guitar World magazine) "Other bands are just jealous of us because of our success". Finally.. I want to talk a little about Metallica since 'Dreamy Rover' posted an opinion about them. I'm a huge Metallica fan and yes, I am dissapointed by the fact they're sueing everyone. But then again Napster users WERE stealing music and Metallica wasn't the only one who took action against Napster! Other great bands did too! It's just that Metallica was the one who had the balls to be the voice of the artists! Heck if i were an artist i would be pissed that I was losing money! And the fact that they're suing everyone because of the use of their name IS their right. They're just exercising their rights. But in another way, it's pathetic because I think having a car rims that are called "Metallica" would be cool (as a Metallica fan). Bottom line is: Lars is a fag.. he's the one initiating the sueing. Kirk is still way up on my cool list and Hetfield has the darnest most powerful growl I've ever heard. For now I shall just patiently await Metallica's next album and see where they're going (they claim it'll be a heavy album.. just like 'Black')
Posted by rocky racoon:
not really wanting to start this debate again but what have BSB pride and Gay pride got in common, not much id say
Posted by pick:
The main thing I hate about rap is that so many young black males use it as a cop out. What I mean is thus: instead of staying in school and either going to college or getting a job, these "thugs" sit around, take drugs, drink and collect government aid (if you think I'm kidding listen to all of the rappers who admit they've been on welfare). Many rock bands, though containing dropouts and druggies, are ashamed to admit their past actions. Then, the rappers act as though they've been mistreated by everyone around them and, in an "artistic" expression, rap about it. Do people actually buy into this? I hope not! Also, the content is full of hot air. The music videos are all the same. They flash their money around more so than any hair band or rock group ever has. And, all the while, they want you to feel sorry for them because they are black, especially if they were ever arrested by a white police officer. I am not racist but I find rap to be a ridiculous form of entertainment.
Posted by BK:
KRS-One is a very good rapper.Back in the late 80's/early 90's all I listened to was rap because I couldn't stand bands like Poison and Def Leppard and I really despised country.So I grew up on rappers like Run-DMC,Beastie Boys,Public Enemy,DJ Jazzy Jeff and The Fresh Prince,KRS-One,etc.I don't listen to much rap now with a few exceptions like Wu-Tang Clan,Das EFX,Jurassic 5,and a few others.I haven't heard anything from KRS-ONE in a while.I wasn't even sure he was still rapping.However living in West Virginia like I do,you don't get exposed to much rap music.We have like one "Urban" station,but they play more Britney Spears and N'Sync than actual hip-hop.Anyways,I'm getting off track.Like Josh and Lithium said,don't judge all rap music on rappers like Eminem,Master P,and so on.There's some pretty good music out there if you just give it a chance.
Posted by Scott Stapps Ego:
I've got another debate. Is BSB pride the same as gay pride? They seem the same to me.
Posted by LithiumBliss:
Dag, Josh - we've agreed like 3 times already on this thread. It almost makes me forget how we disagreed on the religion thing. But Josh definitely said it true - do not condemn rap until you have absorbed the genius of Lawrence "Kris" Parker - AKA KRS-ONE. little_girl and nag: this man did not rap only about the crack and the booty. In fact he preached(though not in an overly hoiler-than-thou preachy way)AGAINST the mad pursuit of "da bling-bling." KRS wasn't about glorifying the gangsta life, he was about education. nag, it's cool you don't come from "da hood" and that you can't relate. Much better than being one of those white boys that act all black and pretend to be "down wit it." And yes, little_girl - the MTV mainstream rap is only about the Cristal, the loot, and the booty. But hell, the "classic" rock like freaking Rolling Wheelchairs(Stones) and AC/DC is all about the same thing. KRS-ONE rapped about the real life. So did Chuck D, although his was more about the struggle of being black in a racist nation. But hell, the way to peace among peoples is to try to understand each other. Not being black myself, of course I can't really RELATE to what it is like to feel the weight of the prejudice. But artists like Kris and the awesome band Living Colour can school me on what it is. Peace grows from knowledge.
Posted by SubXavier:
They have something called BSB pride? That's... disgusting.
Posted by meg :
AHH! This post goes to my brother I just have to state how i feel about one of your commets; BackstreetBoys have not brought down music in anyway, they've definatly made it better, their personal lives of getting drunk, and having personal problems has nothing to do with it IMO. Keep the BSB pride alive!
Posted by Josh:
the last sentence should be, didn't sing them.
Posted by Josh:
I so fukin agree with goldfinger, he took the words right out of my mouth. I'd also like to give props to Lithium for mentioning KRS-One. If you have never heard him, do not judge rap, because you have never heard it till you hear it from this man. Also I'll state again (said on another board) that Jurassic 5 is a hella of a group too...One more thing, People singer/songwriters were not the norm for awhile, so if you are one of the misguided that say you need to write your own lyrics you need to take a reality check. Are you saying a band like Pink Floyd shouldn't have done such a classic album like Dark Side of the Moon, because Roger Waters wrote the lyrics, but he didn't them?
Posted by nag:
5. Is rap really music? Good question, I guess if natives banging on drums can be considered music so can rap. However it's musical merits, IMO, are very insignifcant when compared to basically any other form of music. I mean a bunch of fourth graders singing in a Christmas play has about as much creativity as rap. But maybe I am biased, for I can not relate to growing up in the ghetto, selling crack and being a pimp. Nor, like most of my generation, will I pretend to do so. 4.MTV has been around for 20 years now, since MTV has exsisted we have witnessed probley most the music people visiting this website have grow up on. Though in some cases it was not played on MTV, yet thrived i.e Pantera, Slayer. So as critical as I am of MTV, I don't blame them for the downfall of musical talent that has occuered place since the mid ninteies. I think the biggest amount of blame goes to the radio stations. They take these cookie cutter bands, take one catchy single, and play it til your ears bleed, and the record goes double Plantium. Anyways by the time the cookie cutter band (insert any rock band from 96-01 here) realeses album number two fans are so sick of the sh*t, they are lucky to sell 50,000 albums. The only reason Alternative got big in the early 90's was that there was a whole format that evolved with that music. Something revolutionary like that will need to happen for rock to take it's next step. Even with the advent of the internet and expanse of cable TV things remain very stagnet. 3. No they can't. 2. I don't know, not much into conspriracy theroies anymore, but if I was married to Courtney Love I would of shot myself too. 1.Backstreet Boys, I mean a drunk in the group is bad enough, but for crying out loud, shame shame Mr. Carter. You turnt you back on all those prepubecent girls before they could turn there back on you!
Posted by LithiumBliss:
My only real argument against rap being music is because it is mostly turntables and samples. But there are rap groups that use live instruments too. You can't say rap takes no skill. Yes, any moron can rap, I can rap a little bit, and as far as morons, need I mention Kid Rock? Rap is DEFINITELY a form of music. Mostly I hate rap. All that bragging rap and MTV rap is crap. But there are and were skilled rappers. My favorites are probably KRS-ONE and Public Enemy. Not my fav type of music, but really listen to Kris or Chuck D's words. So those who say rap is crap, take the time to find the ggod raps, or ignore raps completely but at least give it credit for being legit. Personally, Nirvana blows any rap away, but that's just me. PEACE
Posted by GoLdFiNgR:
I'm really starting to get fed-up as well as disappointed by the display of ignorance being portrayed by some of you people who say rap is not music. I don't know how many times I have to stress this but "THE RAP YOU SEE ON TV ISN'T ALL THE RAP THAT IS OUT THERE" there are incredibly intelligent rap artists: political, social, aware. Many of them do have music appreciation, often times extending beyond rap music. just don't assume that Eminem and Nas represent every rap artist out there. Next, just because you don't like a form of music, this in no way means that it is not music. I hate pop, dance, rave and a bunch of other types of music. Regardless, these are all forms of music. To ask the frequenters of a site that is obviously prodominantly rockers whether rap is music will obviously receive a biased response. I'm not telling everyone here to like rap, but acknowledge it as a form of music, and know what you're talking about before you come on and say something like "it's garbage made up by people who wanna make money" You do realize that rap, along with every other type of music in the world, exists outside the mainstream media as well. And before anyone assumes that I'm some rapper whose getting offended, I mostly listen to punk/ska and hardcore. I'm just trying to kill a ridiculous arguement that should not have even started and will not lead to anything except for a few angry white kids saying rap is crap. But hey, what do I know...
Posted by disturbed_little_girl:
5. rap sucks, all the music is ever about is sex, drugs, woman. but i guess it is its own music (unfortunetly)4. Mtv plays mainstream stuff, and then end up playing songs from linkin park and staind and nickelback over and over, but i think that hating a band or a song cause of that is incredibly stuipd. if you really like the music, it shouldnt matter how often you see or here abut the band or how popular it is. 3. write your own lyrics, or dont make a damn cd 2.I dont know i just hope kurt is happy wherever he is. 1. creed and limp bizkit (well theyve always been sellouts)
Posted by Poophead:
MTV isn't EXACTLY ruining music; it's the fans! Yep, the fans are the ones ruining music with supporting bands like Backstreet Boys and Papa Roach (both of which suck in different ways, but nontheless suck ass). MTV is just supports this, with shows like TRL. MTV isn't all bad though; they still do Unplugged, which is cool, and they still do things on decent bands like Incubus (even if I don't particularly like them, but stil respect them). But MTV just makes it easier for the fans to ruin it. Don't shoot the messenger; shoot the dumb ass fans.
Posted by Chickenhead:
Rap is NOT music. Rap sucks. Doesn't take any skill except for MAYBE fast talking and improvisation of stupid words. Any moron can rap. It's so easy, even if you have no actual musical training besides listening to it. It's also stupid. Just about all rappers don't have an actual concept of music, and therefore I don't respect them. In fact, I HATE rappers, not just because of their music, but also because of the image they portray. They make themselves up as a "G.," "Hommie," "Dawg," etc. I could go on, but no, rap is not music; it's garbage made up by people who wanna make money.
Posted by Tom Angelripper:
5: Rap, although not aesthetically pleasing in the least, is a form of music. As an aside, however, it should be noted that rap is only music because it's BAD music. 4: I don't watch MTV so I don't really care. Everyone should know by now that MTV plays four kinds of music: pop, hip-hop, nu-metal, and "rock" like Nickelback. If there is actually someone out there who watches MTV and expects anything more, then they are only deluding themselves. I gave up on MTV a few years ago and I just started looking for new musicians online and have been quite happy ever since. But to tie this back to the original question, I don't believe that MTV is ruining music; it is a showcase for what is popular and nothing more. 3: As several people have pointed out, singers before the 1950s really didn't write their own music at all. Everyone took Sinatra seriously. Although it's become more common today for musicians to write their own lyrics/music, I see it this way: most actors don't write their own lines in scripts. Should we shun somebody like Al Pacino because he didn't write his lines in The Godfather? But to be fair, I'll say that I really don't like the type of music produced by singer/dancers/non-songwriters like Britney Spears (yes, I know she wrote a couple of songs), Christina Aguilera, the Backstreet Boys, N'Sync, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum. 2: This matter, like Cobain, is dead. He killed himself. Just because a group of Nirvana fanatics cannot accept the fact that their idol is gone doesn't mean that there was some conspiracy involving the Assyrian Mafia, Yasser Arafat, the Ku Klux Klan, and Courtney Love to kill him. He's dead, he killed himself, get over it, move on. 1: Slayer. Anybody who listens to "God Hates Us All" after "Reign In Blood" will know why. If you ask me, God Hates Slayer.
Posted by Rocky Racoon:
Just letting you guys know that Britney Spears actually does co-write some of her own songs
Posted by phern:
Courtney Love may have a hand in the matter of Cobain's death? Bravo!
Posted by Jennie:
any pop music act, britney spears, nsync, all those really non-talented people. they all suck to be famous
Posted by LessthanAxl:
5. the mainstream crap isnt, but there is some good underground 4. no, they dont even play music, thus giving them no oppurtunity to ruin it 3. Singers do what theyre called, they sing, if they cant do that good (aka Britney Spears, etc) then they shouldnt get any credit. 2. What does it matter now? hes gone and theres nothing anyone can say or do to change that, it doesnt matter what really went down, its sad, but its in the past, get over it! 1) No Doubt
Posted by Josh:
I'll repeat this. The investigater hired by Love herself, claims she had to have some part in it. Who cares about his mom, she wasn't at the crime scene, she didn't have acess to ALL the evidence. This guy did, and he believes she was at least somewhat involved.
Posted by Playful Plaything:
THIS IS TO ALL THE DUMBF*CKS WHO THINK THAT COURTNEY KILLED KURT. KURT TRIED TO KILL HIMSELF ABOUT A MONTH BEFORE AND COURTNEY SAVED HIM AND EVEN KURT'S MOTHER DOESN'T THINK THAT COURTNEY KILLED HIM
Posted by Josh:
We have a new winner. Move over ladymuck, brokenmachine has taken over the throne of retards. Come on man, a singer/songwriter is something that wasn't widespread till the 60's. You cannot tell me there wasn't credible artists before that time. I have one name for you, Frank Sinatra.
Posted by MaxPower324:
5. Yes. 4. No. 3. Not always true, just mostly. 2. Suicide. 1. Me.
Posted by Cornielious:
5. Rap is spoken word over funk and r&b 4. MTV is ok sometimes, they just need to get rid of all those damn shows. 3. They can be taken seriously as singers but not songwriters 2. Kurt is still alive, but I can't say how I know 1. Creed... ick!!!
Posted by brokenmachine:
5. only to the blind. 4. yes, it promotes who they think are great, then play it until everyone hates it. 3. true, and this goes for those who don't play instruments. 2. he killed himself, but maybe courtney's lack of talent actually killed him. 1. nickelback
Posted by Maritza:
question #3: Yea they shouldnt be taken seroiusoyl because they suck now KoRn writes there own music(lyrics) about life now that kicks ass in a band thats wwhat i look for!
Posted by Milkweed:
Rap is crap rap is not music
Posted by Flor:
MTV is ruinging music
Posted by Nina:
COurtney killed him
Posted by KM:
5. Rap that doesn't just cover the shallow topics of bling bling and hos but ventures deeper (i.e. Dilated Peoples, Jurassic 5) is music. 4. Yes, MTV is ruining music and forcing artists to commercialize their music if they want mainstream success. 3. Singers that don't write thier own music can still be taken seriously because unlike most of us, they CAN ACTUALLY CARRY A TUNE. 2. Kurt was messed up and unfortunately saw no other way out. 1. No Doubt
Posted by ray:
eMpTVy HAS RUINED MUSIC!!!!
Posted by rocky racoon:
thats true what goldfinger said about rap, you shouldnt judge rap by what you here in the mainstream, just like you wouldnt judge rocknroll by what is played on MTV
Posted by PatMcRoin:
dung heap!
Posted by PatMcRoin:
people that don't give a sh-t about anything make the best artists
Posted by LithiumBliss:
www.cobaincase.com check it out with an open mind
Posted by GoLdFiNgR:
Me again! I'm a huge punk fan. Gia: Some punk songs have stupid lyrics with some sound. So can punk not be considered music?
Posted by gia:
5. no i don't think rap may be called real music . it's only about some sound and stupid lyrics. they make no sense. but as long as there are people listening to this kind of thing--it will survive. 4.look mtv is running only a few good bands and songs like STAIND or LINKIN PARK and afew other but in the rest..and all i have to say concerning this phenomena is that thei provide the music for the majoity. yes we do like the doors and metallica and nirvana.. but the majority likes britney and stuff like that so the only thinf to do is to EDUCATE PEOPLE in order to listening GOOD MUSIC
Posted by GoLdFiNgR:
In response to #1: I am not a huge rap fan, but I do listen to some of it. The problem is, you shouldn't assume that mainstream rap is the essential form and backbone to rap. All this bling bling garbage, and the "f*ck you, die, I'll rape your mother and then mine" junk is just to make money. There's great rap out there, you just have to find it... for the skeptics, might I recommend: Jurassic 5, Dialated Peoples, Dead Prez, Benefit, The Roots. These are all talented, as well as intelligent performers. Give them a listen and maybe some of you can appreciate what rap is all about.
Posted by Dugjc:
5. not really 4. MTV and MTV2 are crap but MTVX is good because it only plays rock music none of that rap or pop crap. 3. no not at all 2. not sure most likely killed himself 1. don't know
Posted by Mr Unterpants:
5: It depends on your own personal point of view. 4: If it is then why do you insist on watching it? 3: Absolute crap. Some people are very talented lyric writers but cannot sing a note. 2: I don't think anyone cares anymore, least of all me. 1: The ones that get famous by being selected from thousands of entrants on a TV show. Oh, and a Happy New Year.
Posted by Josh:
Opps brain fart, oh well decipher.
Posted by Josh:
Out of all the responses to this I have to say Lady Muck I disagree with Lady Muck the most...On the Cobain issue even the person hired by Love to investigate it says she did. How much more proof do you need?
Posted by SubXavier:
Yeah, Poe's blonde... she used to be a punk chick, though, so who knows what her natural color is?
Posted by Lady Muck:
5. Rap is definately NOT music. 4. MTV sucks the past few years...now I watch VH1's Rock Show with Scott Ian from Anthrax. 3. Singers that don't write their own music still perform it, but they don't get much respect from ME. 2. Kurt Cobain absolutely killed himself. He was too messed up in the head to deal with fame and everything that went with it. Courtney is a psycho-hose beast, but she didn't kill him. 1. Sellout? Who cares?
Posted by LithiumBliss:
OK sub, my bad. I didn't mean to lump her into those who should shut up. I mean the girls who are only getting to make their so-called music based on sex appeal and not talent. But I can't really picture Poe in my mind - is she a good-looking blonde, or am I thinking of Dildo?
Posted by SubXavier:
...Take that "very" out of "very core concept." I was thinking of two different things and meshing them together.
Posted by SubXavier:
Lithium, Poe's Haunted was -the- album of 2001. It has amazing songs, a very core concept, and even a storyline. Yes, I kid you not; this album, in its entirety as an album, is better than Tool's Lateralus (but not quite as good at Aenima) and it even edges out System's Toxicity. One of my favorite records, and possibly the most cohesive and introspective albums of all time.
Posted by Pyramid:
5.Rap was music, but unfortunately it has lost its purpose. 4. MTV... if they played more MUSIC and not STUPID SHOWS, and if they played MANY BANDS/ARTISTS and maybe looked to classics and underground bands, then they could certainly help the music. 3. I can't take anyone who doesnt write their own material seriously... because to me having someone else do it for you defeats the purpose of being a musician (unless you're in a play or if you're Sinatra). 2. I can bring myself to fully believe that kurt killed himself... but of course if my wife were Courtney, I'd kill myself too. 1. everybody nowadays is selling out... end of story (except for a select few)
Posted by BK:
5.Rap is music.Whether you like it or not,it has a beat and involves writing lyrics,so therefore it is music. 4.MTV isn't ruining music.Yeah,the original MTV doesn't play many videos anymore ,but M2 still plays many music videos of all genres.Since M2 is technically still MTV,I can't say it's ruining music. 3.Some bands(i.e. boy bands)can't be taken seriously.However,as much as I hate country music,many of today's top country stars don't write their own music.Some do,but many do not.However unlike boy bands,most country musicians can actually somewhat sing and play their own instruments.So it depends on whom you're looking at matters in who can be taken seriously or not. 2.I get sick of this topic.I think Kurt killed himself despite all the talk.I still can't stand Courtney Love though.I think her lawsuit against Dave Grohl and Krist Novoselic is ridiculous.They were as much of the band as Kurt was. 1.I hate the term sellout.I think it is one of the dumbest topics out there and that's all I'm going to say about that.
Posted by pick:
Women have degraded the Grammy's. This is not sexist but rather the truth. I feel that music labels feel compelled to sign women artists due to feminist pressure. How else does one explain the huge suckage of Sleater Kinney, Paula Cole, Luscious Jackson, etc.???
Posted by LithiumBliss:
no Rocky, they aren't females that need to "grow up." Other than Liz, Tori, Aimee, Lauryn, and let me add Juliana Hatfield - they are women who need to SHUT UP! They suck hard, a discredit to their gender.Don't get me wrong, I love girls that suck, but not musically suck.
Posted by BUTCH:
MTV KILLED KURT!--Women make better music than men do, nowadays that is.--Rap is music. Bad music. However, some of it is good when they aren't talking about porking b*tches, their gangs, all their money, or how big of studs they are. Most rappers could be called narsisitic.--Singers don't have to write their own music to be good. But if they do it makes them come off better. --I gotta pee.
Posted by rocky racoon:
Allright Dreamy, heres a list of good female artists who dont "need to grow up". Shirley Manson, Tracey Bonham, Kasey Chambers, Leah Haywood, Poe, Gwen Stefani, Fiona Apple, Jewel, Liz Phair, P.J Harvey,Dolores O'Riordan, Madonna, Tori Amos, Lauren Hill, Lash, Ammie Mann,Dido, The Corrs, Wynodda Judd, , Shawn Colvin and many more that i cant remmeber at this time.
Posted by satan:
Dreamy has a point...its the females out there that flaunt their bodys around and really don't do anything musical, that makes the rest of us look bad! I am a female guitarist/bassist, and i love what do, you know. one day i would like to get reconized by the music world, but not for the way i look. i have a true passion for music. I am about the same on playing skill as Kurt Cobain, but both of us had/has passion for the music. hey and if i don't ever make it then it really doesn't matter to me because that won't take the passion away....i am a lot better bassist than guitarist right now but everyday i improve...pick up something and give passion thats what will get you true respect and you will be remembered in years to come
Posted by Josh:
Maybe it's the weed talking, but I think Dreamy has a point.
Posted by Dreamy Rover:
Racoon, My statement regarding female singers is not to considered sexist. There are very few female artists who're doing something respectable that's true to the meaning of music, as an art & science, not just mere entertainment. Take the DIXIE CHICKS for example. They rock, they're cool, and not because they're good looking but because they can really play musical instruments, can write songs on their own. Take a look around man. Check out ALL the prominent female musicians & you'll find such characters u'll detest despite their bikinis & glossy makeup. Do read again the examples of female singers I've given to support my statement. I wasn't mentioning Janis Joplin, Liz Phair or Alicia Keys. Hmmm...I do like LACUNA COIL, that's a band with a female vocalist and occasionally I liked THE CRANBERRIES too. But these are exceptional cases, I should add. Nowadays girls (I'm not saying boys aren't) became singers (mostly in the pop/hip hop category) for instant fame, success and tons of money. Music is very secondary to them, and when they're discussed in the public, it'll for their clothes, their bodies, their looks, their affairs, their fights, their public declaration of always catering to charity while ripping the average teenager of $100 at their stupid shows, which are all about gloss, stunts, pyrotechnics, tomfoolery...just about anything but musical talent. Think about it. I rest my case. I've been misunderstood enough he he.
Posted by Mike:
No More Tears was Ozzy's most commercial album, not his best. That honor belongs to Blizzard or Diary. Zakk is a great guitarist but Randy Rhodes buries him a lot more style and technique and wrote far better songs.
Posted by LithiumBliss:
pick, hey my bad, you're right it is Sharon. But I still think his first two solo albums won't be topped. As far as fried goes, maybe they should have him sing his answers in interviews, because I don't know who speaks worse - Ozzy or John Frusciante?
Posted by rocky racoon:
Just in case there was confussion, i was being sarcastic when i said "good one dreamy"
Posted by pick:
LithiumBliss, Ozzy doesn't sign those bands to Ozzfest...it's his wife, Sharon. He's not fried, either, and his best album, 'No More Tears,' was done with Zakk Wylde, who happens to be the third best guitarist of his time (behind Joe Satriani and Eric Johnson).
Posted by rock lobster:
to the person who says no one cares about Kurt Cobain's death -- actually many people do, especially those family members who lost a child performing a similar act of suicide. if it was put to rest that Kurt didn't actually kill himself, it would bring closure to the survivors.
Posted by Josh:
I don't know about that, Alycia Keys seems to be doing what she loves, just so happens she's getting paid to do it. Plus she has some purty lips on her. She's an exception though, not the norm.
Posted by rocky racoon:
"Not wanting to be sexist but all females singers are sellouts and need to grow up"?, good one Dreamy.
Posted by Dreamy Rover:
5. Rap, in certain formats, can be categorized as music. It can be described as a form of vocal music in which rhyming lyrics are chanted to a musical accompaniment, but today it's just a truckload of bull$hit. 4. MTV was great at one time, but one should consider not all songs are shot as videos, and much great music is missed as it never gets on the music channels. Yeah, MTV is more about commercials now, than good music. And the kind of stupidity that happens each year on MTV music awards is testimony to that. Only empty heads would consider it as a proper channel of music. It doesn't cater to every music lover, eg, those who want to listen (and see as well) country music, Blues, Opera, Classical music, Celtic music, 'Real' Heavy Metal, Reggae & other forms of music. 3. The current music scene hurts the sentiments of every self-respecting music fan, but my friends, such singers will be forgotten in no time, bands like BEATLES, DEEP PURPLE, THE DOORS, METALLICA, JETHRO TULL, U2, PEARL JAM, LED ZEPPELIN, IRON MAIDEN, OZZY, BLACK SABBATH, NIRVANA, ERIC CLAPTON, DIRE STRAITS, SCORPIONS and various other acts will always be remembered than some Britney, Jay Lo, NSYNC, BSB & other similar idiots. Pop stars come, become famous for 2 months, disappear. 2. Someone did kill Kurt Cobain, I wish that sniveling murderer/ess gets the electric chair. Courtney Love is prime suspect, she's a prostitute. Appeal to all: never buy albums of HOLE, don't attend shows. Make her disappear from our lives. 1. NO DOUBT goes bad to WORST this month!! Lead nausea creator (not vocalist) is just a belly button, not a musician. CREED still selling? Hmmm...Is Metallica a sellout? Well, from BATTERY to NO LEAF CLOVER they have matured as musicians, but most fans would still want them to sound like they started out as...I still don't understand why so many haters of Metallica are breeding nowadays. Cause u didn't get to use Napster much? Alright, this is a bit off the issue, but a METALLICA is any day better than any pop/rap/hip hop trash. Songs like WELCOME HOME, ORION, FADE TO BLACK, CREEPING DEATH, FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS, ONE, THE THING THAT SHOULD NOT BE, BLEEDING ME, THE OUTLAW TORN, THE MEMORY REMAINS, WHERE THE WILD THINGS ARE, ENTER SANDMAN, WHEREVER I MAY ROAM are excellent songs, no matter what anyone says. Referring their change in style since LOAD, no longer playing Speed Metal/Thrash, all people should consider this as just an experimental phase (a bit long though) as even Slayer did an album of Punk covers in between. Ok, while trying not to be sexist, I think ALL female singers...from Shania Twain to No Doubt to Destiny's Child to Britney to Madonna are sellouts. Girls pls grow up.
Posted by LithiumBliss:
sorry pick, can't resist Lollapalooza was a great tour, because of the MIX of bands that they had. Ozzfest is the tour responsible for all these LinkinDisturbedRoachMuddBizkits we have now. Ozzy should freaking quit. His first solo albums with Randy and of course the mighty Sabbath ruled, but now the man is fried.
Posted by LithiumBliss:
You'd be surprised how many people care about manner of Kurt's death. Like I said before, I can't come right out and blame Courtney, but I know someone killed him. And we don't need another Nirvana, we've had too many bands try to sound like them. Of course if you mean "the next Nirvana" as the next band to make an impact like that, yes we do, but I think it's not going to happen. Support the underground and don't expect a revolution. The machine is just too all-powerful now.
Posted by pick:
To me, MTV sold out when their execs nixed Headbanger's Ball and quit following the good tours such as Lollapalooza and Ozzfest.
Posted by Eagles:
I agree these are all big debates except for the Kurt Cobain being murdered by Courtney Love. Very few people even care about that and very few also believe it. Just because you may personally think there is some sort of controversy there I just don't see it. Most people hardly seem to care. A better thing to put there would be the everlasting debate of who the next Nirvana is going to be. A ridiculous debate yes but at least there's more interest in it.
Posted by TW:
5. Is rap really music? Not to me it isnt. But whatever floats your boat. Rap needs a wakeup call, like someone else said, its all "look at me". Where's the creativity? 4. Is MTV ruining music? When they force feed people what they want them to see, then yes. When they totally forget what the M in MTV means, then no. Its hard to ruin something when it gets ignored. 3. Singers who don’t write their own music can’t be taken seriously. I used to think so, but when I like a song, if it gives me an emotional rise, then it doesnt matter who wrote it. 2. Did Kurt Cobain commit suicide or did Courtney Love have something to do with his death? I didnt care then and I could care less now. He's gone, enjoy what he recorded and get on with it. Which band is a sellout this month? As always.....Metallica. I'm waiting for them to sue someone for wearing one of their tshirts. "You didnt pay enough for that!"
Posted by MusicGod:
5)Rap is real music. It has a rythem, it involves passion and creativity 4) The music industry telling the rest of the dumbfounded nation what to listen to which sells records, which Mtv plays to please the audience. No, you cannot blame Mtv, blame the music producers and the public that buys the crap. 3)No they cannot be taken seriously. How are they considered musicians if they do not do a thing but belt out some over produced tracks. 2) That bitch Courtney did it!! 1) Any band that seemingly has the highest popularity and most exposure at the time.
Posted by Trendkill138:
MTV technically shows more videos now than they did a year ago, BUT, they'll show two videos, and have five minutes of commercials, and repeat the cycle. Most of what videos they do show are crap. From what I've heard, the first few years of MTV were pretty cool, because they were playing a lot of music that radio wouldn't touch, because radio was so bland. (The sad thing is that radio was nowhere near as corporate then as it is now.) One problem with MTV now is that they don't play many videos for songs that I can't hear on the radio, which is why you probably won't hear "the next Nirvana". The first time I heard "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was on an episode of Headbanger's Ball that a friend of mine taped for me. Headbanger's Ball and the pre-1992 120 Minutes exposed me to a lot of cool stuff that I ordinarily wouldn't have heard on the radio, but MTV hasn't had an outlet like that for years. I laughed when I read on this site that Six Feet Under's latest video was banned by MTV. I mean, when would they play it? I don't think they would even show it late at night, because it would be too heavy.
Posted by dead:
Apparently whatever band has an album out this month is a sellout. I heard Creed and No Doubt.
Posted by satan:
5) music is creativity as long as it is creative it s music 4) MTV is not ruining music...i didn't even know they even still played music! 3) no what they sing is fake it dose not come from with in them 2) If Kurt was murdered or if he commited suicide he is still dead, and I miss him very much.Personally i think he was murdered 1) I don't think the biggest sell-out is a band, I think it is MTV!...Where did the music part go? i would like to have MTV back how it used to be actually playing videos insead of the stupid shows they have on now!---I'm finshed Goodbye
Posted by pick:
Any more, rap "music" requires little and mostly no thought. I remember when rap acts such as Ice Cube, Ice-T and Public Enemy actually rapped about something pertinent to a cause. But now rap is nothing more than a "look at me, look at my hoes, look at my bling-bling" beats. What a waste of a political voice.
Posted by huh?:
5.)Yes, because music is best defined as the construction of sound and rap, whether done against the samples or original sound (RATM) is still the construction of sound. Music is also an art-form that has soul and intelligence put into it, which is why teen pop isn't REAL music. 4.)Absolutely. It made image and sex appeal just as important, if not more so, than the music. It's not entirely MTV's fault though. Our society has lost sight of the arts. We need to make them core curriculim in our schools. 3.)No, because one definition of an artist is someone who is skilled and a singer can still use music that they didn't write as a means of self-expression if they can find meaning in it. Most teen pop acts shouldn't be taken seriously though, because they're all about image and sex appeal. 2.)Neither. 1.)Hard to say, most people don't know what a real sell-out is anymore. As long as you still have passion for the music, you're not a sell-out.
Posted by Scott Stapps Ego:
1.No Doubt is the official sellout of the month 2.I still think it's a suicide but there is some pretty good evidence against it. 3.No, singers who make s**ty music can't be taken seriously 4.I think the Dead Kennedys said it best, MTV GET OFF THE AIR. 5.Yep In response to Rockey's debates 1. We need a band who has the same impact as Nirvana and fast. 2.you know somethings wrong when O-Town goes platinum, and when I have to pay 20 bucks for a CD when it cost 10-15 10 years ago it shows how messed up the industry is. 3.HAH about as as much of a virgin as Madonna. 4.No, they are pop. 5.Absoulutely, the future of rock has never been so boring.
Posted by rocky racoon:
5.yes rap is a form of music 4. We dont get MTV over here and the music stations over here actually play a good mix of music so i cant give a full on answer but I dont think everything can be blammed on MTV 3. some people take this idea to far 2.Suicide 1. yeah im sick of people acuusing bands of selling out. Ive gone into detail why many times allready on this site. Ill add some more debates that always seem to come up 1)Do we need a new Nirvana 2)is the music industry destroying music 3) is Britney Speers a virgin 4)are blink182 punk 5)are The Strokes overrated
Posted by pick:
First of all, rap is not music. To me, music is a mixture of actual musical instruments, even if it does not entail vocals. Rap, like techno, employs beat machines and computers. Some guys such as Outkast and Nelly are okay but they aren't fueled by guitars, basses and drums. Second of all, I don't think MTV is ruining music; I believe MTV ruins musicians. Look how TRL makes Staind and Ozzy appear...it turns some of the best bands into sissies. Lastly, Creed is the sellout of the month. A fabricated album mixed with a purely capitalistic arena tour certainly make Creed equal Greed.
Posted by LithiumBliss:
1. Too many sellouts to choose a single offender. 2. While I haven't seen any concrete proof tying C. Love to the crime, she did have the best viable motive, but SOMEBODY killed Kurt, and it wasn't him. 3. People who are primarily known as "singers"(for example Sinatra, Mariah, Streisand,etc.), don't need to write their own material. They are strictly singers. But these so-called "bands" like BSB and NSYNC and their pathetic ilk, should write their own stuff if they want to take credit as being legitimate bands. 4. If MTV ever "ruined" music, it was back when it first started. Videos brought a band's looks out into the spotlight, enabling these pretty boy bands and hot chicks who can't sing to be popular. Before MTV, it was all about the music. I can't blame MTV for the sorry state of today's music entirely though, they only show what the sheep want them to. True music fans know not to look to MTV for quality tunes. 5. Rap IS a form of music. Some raps are actually really good. And when rap is done over a live band like RATM, it is legitimate music. Most rap is done over samples and machines though, which I personally don't call real music.
