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Let’s Sell More Beer To Blacks
by antiGUY

This month I’m going to do something a little different for our “What the Hell” column. Instead of slagging an obvious and ridicule deserving recording artist (I use the word artist with tongue firmly planted in cheek.) I wanted to turn the column over to a real pioneer in the music business, a man named Marty Thau, who back in 1977 started a small indie record label called “Red Star Records”. We’ll let Marty tell you about the label and some of the artists that have appeared on their releases through the years but let it be known that Marty and Red Star Records have earned themselves a distinguished place in music history and have been at the forefront of the American punk movement from the very beginning. The crux of the story Marty is about to tell you directly is he now faces two large corporations in a battle over the brand name he has established that now faces a dubious future by being diluted as a mere vehicle to sell beer but it gets more sinister than that...

Many may say what’s the big deal, so what? Well, think of it this way, say a boyband similar to N Sync came out and decided to call themselves oh let’s say “The Beatles” or “Black Sabbath”, wouldn’t that tarnish the original band’s name? Even if people know better it still goes against what people associate with those names, and let’s be honest, reputation is important. But this goes even deeper than that, as you will soon discover.

Normally, we take a story like this and run a news article on it but as you will read the response Marty tells us he received puts this into “What the Hell" territory.  Stay tuned at the end, for me to expand on this thought a bit, but for now let’s hear the story directly from Marty. 

Here’s a little story about how hypocritical a major corporation can be. In 1977 I founded Red Star Records, an indie label designed to present new rock ‘n’ roll music, and released my first two records—Suicide’s classic debut and Boston’s Real Kids LP. Both were well received and set the stage for further releases by groups like the Fleshtones, the New York Dolls, Martin Rev, Richard Hell & The Voidoids plus a number of compilations that included performances by the Ramones, Blondie and Brian Setzer. Over the years I reissued these same LPs internationally many times and still do to this day because they’re always in demand. 

In other words, my name “Red Star Records” has been in continuous use since 1977.

This past October (2001) the Heineken USA Company struck up a deal with Epic Records to release a record on their own Red Star Records label called “Red Star Sounds: Soul Searchin’  Volume 1.” It’s a very good record indeed—neo-soul by artists like Eryka Badu, Jill Scott, Macy Gray, Nellie Furtado, India.Arie and Glenn Lewis among others. 

However Heineken were using my company name as their own without consideration or compensation. 

I contacted my lawyer and sent Epic and Heineken a cease and desist notice claiming they were violating my rights. Heineken’s highly paid Washington Trademark attorney informed us they had conducted a search of the trademark files to see if the name Red Star Records was available and did not maliciously intend to wrongfully violate my rights but since I hadn’t trademarked Red Star Records back in ‘77 they assumed it was free and clear. 

OK, so here’s where it gets down and dirty. Months pass. Silence. When I continued to object to their usage of my name they informed me that their intention in releasing records was to benefit urban musicians and therefore I should respect their noble gesture and go along with the program.  (Translation: let’s sell more beer to blacks). 

I have what is called Common Law Rights and knew I could (and will) overturn their Trademark Application and be a total nuisance but instead wanted to settle this issue amicably, so I proposed they use the name Heineken’s Red Sounds instead, and only release one or two urban CDs per year with the proper acknowledgement on all CD packages that their Heineken Red Star entity was a non- profit organization. 

This did not suit them because their music marketing plans include a 60-city tour of alternative rock artists this coming summer under the Red Star name that has nothing to do with benefiting “urban” musicians and everything to do with selling beer. Clever marketers trying to look righteous. 

Bottom line, in the end they basically told me what to do with myself—of course, in much more polite terms—as they accused me of being impolite and presumptuous for pursuing my rights. 

I guess I’m just a small little guy and don’t deserve any consideration, and since they’re a major corporation they can step all over me and rewrite history at the same time. 

All to sell more beer. 

DISCLAIMER: So as to avoid prosecution under the USA Patriot Act, I hereby advise all interested parties that my announced intention to be a nuisance to Heineken USA should be interpreted as verbal criticism only, and not as a threat of physical violence against any of its employees—although I can think of a few lawyers who deserve, and would probably love, to be spanked.

Did you ever try Samuel Adams beer? It’s a very tasty drink.

Marty Thau

antiGUY follow up: Now this looks like your typical business squabble over the use of a name and Marty has a good case since he claims he has been using the Red Star name for a quarter of a century. True, with Heineken’s logo, which includes a Red Star, the name makes perfect sense. But as Marty points out, "A perfect red star is the logo of Macy's department stores and hundred of other companies, too. Heineken does not have exclusive usage of the red star logo design." If they did, they would have had to sue the former Soviet government for violating their trademark as well!

The bigger problem here was their response to Marty and playing the race card, if what he said is true. Let’s be honest here, why would they use such a slimly tactic? Everyone knows the race issue is a sticky and contentious Pandora’s box that shouldn’t be used. Their reported plea to Marty on the basis that they were using the name to aid urban artist was a little below the belt and an insult to blacks. Especially when it appears so disingenuous. Marty was on to something when he suggested that they set up a non-profit organization if their real goal was to help promote urban artists. He was actually willing to accommodate them if that was indeed their real goal, Marty tells us, "I was willing to allow them to use Red Star if it was called Heineken's Red Star Sounds, a non-profit program to benefit urban musicians and only release 2 urban CDs per year, they refused my solution". So if we read between the lines, we know that benefiting urban musicians wasn’t their real intention and Marty seems to have hit the nail right on the head when he said it appears their real goal is “sell more beer to blacks”. 

Just a few weeks ago a local Los Angeles network affiliate ran a news story ridiculing beer companies for targeting Latinos in their advertising and the uproar over brewers marketing directly to minorities has a long history.

We normally stay well clear of such issues here; we have enough controversial things in the music industry to cover without having to step into the contentious arena of race issues. But it is really appalling that these corporations would try to use race in this way. And let’s be honest, according to the RIAA Urban music is more popular than Country Music and brings in sales of over a billion dollars a year. Epic Records can and does promote their roster of Urban artist like any other major record company, by releasing albums, singles, videos, compilations and putting some marketing behind them. Why do they need a Beer company to help promote Urban artists? It’s an insult, plain and simple and an obvious cop-out. Whether a company wants to market to a certain demographic, be it an age group, an ethnic group etc, is another issue entirely, the problem here is their attempt in trying to cloak their marketing efforts by claiming it is a goodhearted attempt to help a minority group of recording artists, which is appalling. That and the main fact that remains here, Marty Thau established Red Star Records in 1977 and since then the label has a reputation as representing a certain genre of music, now we have a major record company diluting his brand name and reputation and then trying to excuse it by claiming to help minority-recording artists? It doesn’t add up.  I hope Marty wins his battle with Epic and Heineken, and the people responsible for the ludicrous statements reportedly made to Marty about using the Red Star name to promote Urban artists are ashamed of themselves. Come on people, these people want to make money and sell beer; it has nothing to do with helping anyone but themselves! They are in business to make money, there is nothing wrong with that, so why try and lie about  their intentions?

With that claim in mind, I will leave you with a statement RIAA President and Chief Executive Officer Hilary Rosen made in March of 2001, “It comes as no surprise to see the gain rap and hip-hop has made when you consider that all of our major record labels produced many successful multi-platinum albums of the genre throughout the year". 

P.S. Let's not forget the ultimate platform at the label's disposal to promote urban artists, MTV! They don't seem to have any difficulty getting coverage there and a few well placed Heineken commercials on the network would surely be a way to expose urban artists but it would also be an excellent vehicle to sell beer to a predominantly under legal drinking age audience. Humm, interesting thought there.

P.S.S. I personally prefer MGD myself. 

FAN SPEAK: Agree or Disagree? I'm sure people will have some heated opinions on this story, but let's please keep it civil! 


They call you 
Your Rant or Rave:

Fan Speak:

Posted by Mrs. GOD:
Don't listen to my husband, or his friend JackHole. It's all about getting drunk. Take a few shots to get the buzz goin and then any kind of beer will taste good. He likes it when I get drunk. I'm a super freak, super freak, I'm super freaky...yeow.


Posted by Mr. GOD:
You forgot GUINESS.


Posted by JackHole:
You drink MGD? Just when I'm thinking I'm looking at some site about corporate powers and the fight of the social class. Sorry about the slam, but you need to drink local beer made by local people. I dont know where you live, but get out of the oppression of mass produced crappy beer. And NO Sam Adams is not one of them. MGD good god thats bad beer. Try a Mac and Jacks, a Widmere, a Mirror Pond, sierra navada, you brothers best porter (thats a joke, but you brother might be capaable of making a good beer who knows?)


Posted by whatever:
i just happen to stumble on this site. i could care less about this dispute. who doesn't sugar-coat their real motives in order to gain; especially if they know what they are doing could raise serious questions within a particular group. no one wants bad publicity. what heineken has done is smart business and marketing. and to mr. huh? i am white and listen to J5, DILATED PEOPLES,not pupils, jazzhole,& pharcyde. don't speak for everyone unless you have statistical info. to back up your general puke


Posted by broncoNUTsky:
wassup "mr huh? saying "my generation sucks" number one, it's dilated PEOPLES, not pupils, or whatever you wrote, and they dont even break the surface of politically concious hip hop. as well as outakast, they are as commercial as capitalist rap industry comes.


Posted by fizher:
BadBrat: fyi, Heineken is dutch...


Posted by AliceCooperette:
I don't know about trade mark databases, but I know that there are multiple band name and record label archives out there. If they'd taken about two minutes to double check at one of those, they'd be better off. The insulting thing, though, is that they felt that high-profile urban "artists" needed some kind of aid.


Posted by RockinBob:
I don't know if Red Star dude even has a point, all in all.. I work for a (forgive me) hip hop record label, Landspeed Records. we have done some fairly high profile releases. Also in existance is a ska-Punk label claaed...Landspeed records... I don't know the law well, but both of these label have been around for a while, ...


Posted by Eagles:
Lithium you are a wimp. Racial wars are fun.


Posted by for the guy who lived after the world had died away:
man i sure love heinkein beer and hope the doom obssesed guy goes to hell


Posted by BadBrad:
F@#king Germans


Posted by G:
Nigga's Chill.


Posted by The world will die and I will laugh:
You are all f*cking idiots! The point is that we are all going to die and rot in hell. Demons are going to f*cking EAT US! Do you f*cking understand this?! Who gives a damn about all this stupid sh*t? We are all going to die, morons, and there is nothing you can do about it! You can't stop the madness! Burn in hell you sons of bitches!


Posted by zee:
Kizzy - That's not the point. The point is that Heineken tried to seem like they were doing the musicians this big "favor" when in fact they were just using that as an excuse to make more money. now, there's no shame in trying to make money. (I wish I could.) It's just that they were basically trying to hide their actual motivations.


Posted by Joe Mammy:
Sounds like the foo' should have registered his business name. I guess "Business 101" is just for stupid people.


Posted by Rob:
Heineken is still using the name because this dude hasn't sued them yet, once he takes them to court and wins they won't be able to any longer. That's all part of the business world, it's called a defacto trademark.


Posted by tyrell:
who cares. evertone knows we like crack not beer


Posted by Kizzy:
First of all if I'm the ignorant one then explain to me why Heineken is still able to use the name??? It's all part of the business world not that it makes it right but it's not going to change. And the last time I checked no one ever forced a black man to buy a beer he usually does that on his own. Let's not act like they don't want it.


Posted by ??:
Kizzy you really can't be that ignorant can you? You obviously know nothing about the law. He has a defacto copyright since he has been using that name for years it's just like if Rolling Stone started a new magazine called antimusic then this site could sue them for infringing on their name since this place was established before. The dudes screwed up even worst by lying and saying they were out to help black people when the real goal was to sell them beer. The problem since you missed the point entirely is that they not only stole his company name but then lied to try and justify it.


Posted by KizzyMarie:
The best part of all this is that Marty is Obviously Bitter because he doesn't know anything about the business world. Heineken is doing nothing more than lets say Vans Warp tour does. It's all part of the advertising game. I have never heard white people bitching about the fact that they are trying to sell us shoes and stuff. Heineken is doing their job. Lets not forget that Black people have the choice to buy it or not.


Posted by GREENMUSE:
they dont sell 40's in my neck of the woods,32oz is the largest.


Posted by 5 Against One:
They should have a commercial with Shaq chugging a 40 without stopping and then saying " Obey your thirst "


Posted by SMIC:
While I hate to see the little guy get screwed "Red Star" is not that original a name and he should have copyrighted. As far as using music to sell alcohol or any other product it is standard practice. Playing the race card is pretty low though.


Posted by RidahNY:
I remember growing up when Heineken was still considered to be a real "import" and something that country club patrons drank with dinner. Nowadays it's nothing but overpriced skunk juice glamourized in rap vidz.


Posted by 5 Against One:
Gimme a 40 of Heineken and a blunt yo, then I'll git in my Escalade and go to my crib and slap my ho and call my posse and bust a cap in some kid who dissed me yo. Yep, beer ads are gonna be a problem, LMFAO!


Posted by Elroy420:
Colt 40 Heineken? Peace for me in knowing that I DONT drink alcohol.


Posted by hoopyfrood:
in addition although I DETEST rap(and urban music in general) I hate to see an independant record co get SHAFTED. soon i'm sure EPIC will sue to legaly steal the RED STAR name claming that the other "red star"(ie the real one)is hurtiing their sales and that they deserve the name by sheer volume of sales..remember the "duff beer" thing a year ago? FOX sued a brewpub in australia to stop useing the duff name even though the brewpub was founded a YEAR before the simpsons first aired...guess who won


Posted by hoopyfrood:
Of course i agree with Marty. one reason is coperations don't help ANYONE without an eye on the bottom line and two because even if they knew they were infringeing they knew they could "steal" the red star moniker with little or no repercussions thanks to the unique status coperations have under U.S. law(did you know they are considered persons in and of themselves? this was written into law to protect those who run the companys so they could break the law at will and let the "coperate entity" take the blame)


Posted by 5 Against One:
This will not hurt blacks until Heineken starts making malt liquor.


Posted by LithiumBliss:
All who hate can leave. Peace for the rest of us.


Posted by Blah:
Great idea Lithium Bliss. But u forgot the latins. But all them who hate whites can just go to mexico right?


Posted by 5 Against One:
Ghostface Killah Rulz!


Posted by LadyMuck:
Ummmmm, yeah....I agree with aG. MGD all the way!


Posted by Mr. huh? saying, "My Generation Sucks!":
Most of the rap that white consumers buy is either that pointlessly profane gangsta (c)Rap or that egotistical "Look at me, look at my hoes, look at my bling-blang" bullsh*t. Most white consumers have never heard any Jurassic 5 or Dilated Pupils. Although Outkast is a good act that has gained some exposure.


Posted by Mr. huh? saying, "My Generation Sucks!":
Most of the rap that white consumers buy is either that pointlessly profane gangsta (c)Rap or that egotistical "Look at me, look at my hoes, look at my bling-blang" bullsh*t. Most white consumers have never heard any Jurassic 5 or Dilated Pupils. Although Outkast is a good act that has gained some exposure.


Posted by GREENMUSE:
who are they trying to fool?urban music has become the new "safe"music for the masses.


Posted by 5 Against One:
There are only two races, those who have money and those who don't. The black/white thing is way tired and is on the verge of becoming comical.


Posted by Guru of Everlasting Wisdom:
It may come as a surprise to people that the black-white racial problems are far from over, and also these "racism is dead" people seem to neglect the fact that there are more than two races in this country... Can you say Arab? And what about the recent actions of the loverly cops in NYC and race riots in Cincinnatti? I think all the people who don't know what they're talking about should go back to... um... Picking a random state here seems to be the exile method o' choice here, so let's say Illinois. Did it occur to you that by stereotyping Idaho, Utah, and Montana, you're doing the very thing you claim is dead?


Posted by me thinks people missed the point:
the problem here is they wanted to use his record company name and then tried to justify it with a bogus claim that they are helping minorities so they are wrong on several levels, they just made the matter worst with the whole we're helping urban musicans bs.


Posted by 5 Against One:
Rodney King! Rodney King!


Posted by pick:
Here we go again. Let's get this straight people: while it may be "unethical" for Heineken to manipulate the red star, it is a completely legal move if the red star is not under the strict express-written consent of that company. Copyright laws are quite complex, and if a band wants to name themselves closely or exactly the same as another band they must either make slight changes or win a lengthy court battle.


Posted by BeanPie:
((((LithiumBliss)))))


Posted by LithiumBliss:
Come on, Bean Pie, I know Caucasians are from Europe. And it's true - most rap records are bought by whites.


Posted by no one special:
my understanding of the law is not that great, but as far as i know, if something is not trademarked, it can be freely used by anyone.


Posted by BeanPie:
"According to a SoundScan study, 71 percent of rap music is purchased by white consumers." Hmm...which begs the question...What does rap music have anything to do with selling to black people? If you're not concerned with market ploys against blacks, you should be really concerned about white kids indulged in weapons, mutilation, drugs, and temper tantrums.


Posted by BeanPie:
Idaho or Africa?. Why Not "Africa" and "Europe"? What, you actually believe White people come from America? Racism breeds from unconscious foolishness.


Posted by 5 Against One:
The black/white thing is soooo tired! As far as concentrating beer ads on blacks, I see no problem. Rap music sells guns, drugs, gangs, and fornication. Which is worse?


Posted by Nik Olas:
f*ck corporations...always putting on some act.


Posted by gothra:
How are they going to help urban artists who are all pretty much famous already?


Posted by LithiumBliss:
I've said this before but I must say it again. I am sick and tired of racism. I won't even inject my thoughts about corporations selling to the urban market, or the ridiculous war on drugs, because it should be evident to anyone. I will make this one statement. I think all black racists who hate whitey should be sent to Africa on planes or boats. I think we should give up Idaho, Utah, and Montana (since they seem to be the most cracker racist states) to the Aryan black-haters. Let them have potatoes as their main export. The rest of America can then be for those who don't give a rat's ass about color. This ain't the 1960s, people. Racism is friggin bull dookie. You don't agree with me - then Africa or Idaho for you! Peace is the way.


Posted by Guru of Everlasting Wisdom:
I think this is highly unfair. As a white person, I would like some beer too.


Posted by Nikki:
This is nothing new these beer companies have been doing this for years



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