He tells Kerrang: "There was definitely a lot of relief because of the pressure. It was always like, 'Gaslight Anthem is gonna be the next Bruce Springsteen, or the next Foo Fighters, or the next Pearl Jam - the next big rock'n'roll band'. And it kind of never happened.

"We got big, which was cool with us, but we didn't need to be the next big rock'n'roll band. We didn't expect to be millionaires. We just wanted to play, and it was awesome that we could pay our bills.